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exterior redwood door

2/25/13       
luis

Hi all, getting ready to build an quarter sawn
old growth redwood exterior door. The door will be 48'' x 8'6'' x 2 1/2'' thick. The width will 2 pieces glued to make the 48'' width. What is the absolute best glue to use on this wood? This door is for my home in n- ca
and it will be covered, some indirect sun and no rain will come in contact with it. would appreciate all of the expert advice.
Thanks
luis

2/27/13       #2: exterior redwood door ...
Kilgore Trout Member

Since you are a professional, you already know that any commercially available wood glue, properly applied, will make a joint stronger than the wood itself.

Beyond that it is a measure of experience, expectations, and preference to arrive at an answer to such a subjective call.

What is your experience? What do you build as a professional? What glues do you have a record with?

2/27/13       #3: exterior redwood door ...
luis

Thanks for the reply Kilgore,
Yes, it is known that a glue joint will be stronger than the wood itself. I am seeing exterior doors with failed glue joints, more than I would expect to see. This will be my first custom exterior door. The material is special order., I just want this door to last
without any glue joint failures. And yes, one could go to their supply house and ask ( our local one is wood craft ) I figured why not ask wood workers that have used glues on redwood. The best place to ask is here in the adhesive forum.

What qualifies one as a professional? I have built 2 custom homes, some furniture, cabinets, finish carpentry. the fac`ed on the Stockton arena (lead foreman) cal pers flooring 480,000sq.ft.(lead foreman) and a degree in cabinet making at our local community college. But for a door like this, it is worth asking the question
Thanks

2/28/13       #5: exterior redwood door ...
Rich

I would suggest West System Epoxy, glued up within a few hours of machining, and with light clamp pressure. Epoxy likes a thick joint for strength. Even at quarter sawn, I would worry about fit of the door from season to season, and the flatness to stay in contact with the seal. I would use a really soft bulb seal. Two, 2' boards will look great, but would really make me nervous.

3/3/13       #6: exterior redwood door ...
luis

Thanks Rich,
If this fails, which hopefully it wont, and if it does , it can be milled to make a panel door, and I'll still come out ahead. Again thanks
luis

3/4/13       #7: exterior redwood door ...
David R Sochar Member

Website: http://www.acornwoodworks.com

Luis - I assume you are building frame and panel? But then the other poster made me think you are just building a plank door - not frame and panel - edge glued boards. Of course, you know this is doomed to fail (will not stay flat and will swell and shrink too much), having been around the block. If you are just edge gluing boards, the no matter what glue you use since they will all outlast the door.

The doors you have seen that look like planks are in reality (if they are functioning doors) stable frames with planks applied to one or both sides. Long story - do a search on here for ladder core doors.

3/4/13       #8: exterior redwood door ...
luis

Hi David, the doors are actually 2 slabs glued together, they are installed in a wine tasting place on the northern coast of ca. I was told that they were installed 7+ years ago without any problems. From my research on the movement of old growth v.g
rdwd it is about 1/8'' in 2 ft width. It might of been on this list, can't remember though. I had priced out this door in v.g d.f
it came in at 3,200 (2 1/4 x 48 x 8ft ) for a panel door. I'm just under1,200 doing it myself in rdwd. like I mentioned before, if it fails, it will become a frame and panel door.

3/12/13       #9: exterior redwood door ...
Gary

I would hesitate to use Redwood unless you are matching historical work. It moves a LOT with the seasons. I would feel very comfortable with Titebond II or III or Resorcinol (used to make propellars and glue lam beams)


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