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Domino df 7003/27
pros cons tips suggestions of Domino df 700.
I am not a Festool acolyte I think much of their stuff is overpriced and overrated. I purchased a domino DF500 right after it came out, and found it to be worth every bit of the $1000 I paid for it. I do mostly furniture, cabinets and some millwork and the small model is more versatile. If you want to build a lot of full size doors then the 700 is the way to go, for most work the 500 is best.
I bought both , and really have no complaints. I got the 700 right when it came out , at the time we had 12 1 3/4" thick interior doors to build , at the time I couldn't believe I just spent that much money for something that fits in a box , but I'm glad we have it in the shop now . You'll find all kinds of uses for each machine . Don't buy the fancy boxes with the dominos in them , like I did . What a waste of money . Buy the boxes of the long ones and cut them yourself . That way you have all the lengths you need at all times.
I really like my Festools. But I guess I am not allowed to write that here.
But they really are top notch.
We make a lot of doors, but use integral tenons and are equipped to do everything we need that way. So I don't have a need to use the Festool joiner, though I admit to looking for an excuse to buy one. I like good tools, and suspect these would fit in that class.
We do use Festool 6" dual action sanders and vacuums and they have made for an exceptionally clean shop and more healthy atmosphere for sanding. They are excellent.
We also have a Festool track saw for cutting our big doors to length. Far easier to take the tool to the work than the work to the tool when the work weighs 10 times what the tool does. It also is excellent and is used for many things around the shop - veneer edging, breaking up large panels, sizing panels - often 2-3-4 at a time. Excellent cut quality, safe and smart.
Like others here, I cringe at the prices, but have been very happy with the sander, track saw, and the DF500. If you work onsite, they will pay for themselves over and over. What bugs me is with the rising US $ why no price reductions?
Thank you all for responses.
I bought the big version also. Immediately made up some knives and run our own lineal stock on the moulder. Awesome tool, I never thought it would see as much use as it does.
We've had the DF 500 for a long time. Works great. Fast, very versatile. I didn't know if it was worth it's price when I bought it, expensive little thing. But well designed. Only Festool I've got.
I own about $30,000.00 (yes, $30k) worth of Festool tools, and have been using them professionally since I took that plunge in 2009.
It has become a love-hate relationship.
To the OP, the Domino 700 & 500 are indispensable tools for us, and worth their cost, but as with all Festool tools, must be handled carefully, and should be unloaded prior to warranty depletion.
These tools are without equal in so many ways, except for the all important DURABILITY & the fact that no matter how carefully you treat them, they are going to fail and require expensive warranty service or expensive replacement parts on a regular basis .
FESTOOL tools WILL NOT HOLD UP TO PROFESSIONAL USE
and even if a failure is covered by warranty, at "no cost"
The Domino system, is used on every job we do now, and is something I have come to depend on for our normal operations.
keep in mind, you need the entire "system" to get the most out of these. (and any other Festool)
Wish I had more time,, I could go on... & I'd love to throw up some YouTube videos showing all the brokedik Festool scrap from our toolroom.
I agree about the fragile nature of the Festools. Not a production machine for a professional shop with employees. Limit who you allow to use them. That said the Domino system is very useful.
At the risk of going off subject I have a problem with my Trac saw that maybe David could address? No matter if sharp blade and snug track adjustments my blade wanders about a 1/4" (!!) when I am cutting 2-1/4" doors and sometimes 1-3/4" doors. I have talked to Festool rep and he has never heard of it before (or so he says) . The Festool brand blade actually flexes 1/4" and is that far away from splinter guard while motor starts bogging down. If I cut about 3/4" at a time it works fine but obviously shouldn't have to. What up with that ?
We do not have any trouble like flexing in the cuts. We have fine tooth and a - less than fine tooth blades, and they are slow, but do not flex. The saws are not high-powered. They cut slowly and patience is required.
I would recommend less teeth rather than more teeth for better cuts in thicker material and plan on about 60 seconds for a 3' x 2-1/4" door in medium hardwood.
The flex is a puzzle since the track holds the saw at a proper angle - parallel - and should be the best way to a good cut. Unless the blade is not parallel to the base/track somehow. I would try to find someone else that has one and compare.
I have encountered the same problem when using a less than sharp blade in thick material. Make sure the blade is fresh and take your time.The saws certainly are not overpowered. Sometimes it works best to make the cut in steps with two depth settings.
As long as we are going a bit off subject, I'l take it further astray...
Rob - Do you use any of the R/O sanders that have all but replaced the 'half-sheet' sanders?
If not, I suggest you get your hands on a 5" or 6" dual action Festool or similar. Hook up the vacuum, and then put your pad sanders on the shelf. Our shop is so much cleaner with the Festool vacuums and sanders, it is hard to use anything that doesn't have that level of dust collection.