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Insert Shaper cutters C&S - which ones you like?

9/8/21       
Pdub Member

Our old heads for insert cope and stick shaper cutters got hosed by an (ex)employee setting them up improperly. I never liked thosse too much anyway because the knife registration wasn't very precise and we wound up having to fidgit them around to get proper lineup everytime we changed knives. So I'm looking at new heads.
We have had good luck with Freeborn braised cutters and people here seem to like the inserts, but it seems you can't use the same heads to cut a shaker profile and then switch to a bevel profile. That sort of defeats the purpose for me.
So, are there any brands that you guys are using, liking and find reliable?

9/8/21       #2: Insert Shaper cutters C&S - whi ...
Josh Koschak

I have heard of people liking the insert head from Dimensions In Tooling. Apparently the minor diameter stays constant, so when using out board fences, you can change inserts with out having to mess with the fence location.

I am interested to see the responses as well.

9/9/21       #3: Insert Shaper cutters C&S - whi ...
Steve L Member

We use DIT insert cutters and like them.
I have two sets stacked so all we have to do is crank the shaper up or down to switch profiles, it's supper nice and for me it was worth the cost of the extra bodies.

9/9/21       #4: Insert Shaper cutters C&S - whi ...
Josh Koschak

Steve L, what did the bodies roughly run and what do a set of inserts run?

9/9/21       #5: Insert Shaper cutters C&S - whi ...
Steve L Member

I think each body is about 400.
Backers $20 x 3 wings ea cutter
Inserts $20 x 3

They last a long time. You can get diff. profiles for the bodies.

9/9/21       #6: Insert Shaper cutters C&S - whi ...
Pdub Member

Interesting to hear that you like those so much. The DIT are actually the heads we have and damaged. I don't really like the way the knife registers. It's pretty sloppy and like I said, requires a decent amount of adjustment to get lined up correctly when we change profiles.
I've never used another brand, so maybe that's just the way it is.

9/9/21       #7: Insert Shaper cutters C&S - whi ...
Bill Member

We have some of these heads from Great Lakes tool. You could get all your profiles and backers made with the same diameter. You could also get molding profiles or whatever you want to fit these heads.

https://glct.com/sg.html

For door profiles we use these dedicated heads. We have used them every day for 10 years and never had a problem.

https://glct.com/great-loc.html

Good luck with your decision.

9/9/21       #8: Insert Shaper cutters C&S - whi ...
Karl E Brogger  Member

Website: http://www.sogncabinets.com

I run and like Dimension in Tooling.

The registration is just a single pin, I don't have alignment issues often. When I do, I just loosen them up, and re tighten. I'd like to get a torque wrench for setting those knives. I think that's a good idea.

I've got 8 heads on order since we just picked up a double hsk spindle coper. Those knives are raked and have some shear in them. I guess on the new heads, the backers are bolted in separately from the knife.

9/10/21       #9: Insert Shaper cutters C&S - whi ...
Hen Bob Member

I get mine made from Total Tooling Technology. They end up being $600 or so a head with 3 extra knives. I have them match the door profiles we order from the supplier. They taper the groove for the panel witch makes assembly easier..

9/12/21       #10: Insert Shaper cutters C&S - whi ...
Brent Member

I have this set on the way to try out and demonstrate. By design, all you have to do is swap out one component and you have mission profile. The really nice thing is the tongue thickness is adjustable from 5 to 9mm for different nominal material thickness. Custom profiles can be made.


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9/24/21       #12: Insert Shaper cutters C&S - whi ...
Brent

I have the DIT heads too (both small and large diameters. I like them once they're set up and super custom options are a bonus. I find DIT somewhat sluggish to deal with (perhaps because I'm such a small operation). But the cut quality is stellar!

Problem: On my one (bigger) shaper, I change the knives on the head and index them with a dial indicator and they are all positioned within a couple thou. My other shaper, the knives once mounted to the head differ by 11thou and 3thou compared to the other at zero - happens the same every time at every one of the 3 profile knife locations on the head. I have to manually shim the ones that are out (total hassle). However, I had DIT recheck the head and it's all within spec - I suspect that once the spindle nut clamps the profile head down, its getting torqued slightly uneven against the spindle bearing and thus affecting how the knife sits. Something for you to perhaps consider on your machine?


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