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Painted Cabinets Chipping

1/21/22       
Snapperjoe

We are homeowners who completely gutted a farm house to the studs 3 years ago and now are having problems with our painted cabinets chipping and paint de laminating. I was hoping to get opinions on weather this is natural wear and tear or possibly poor craftsmanship.


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1/21/22       #2: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
Brent

Top photo looks like expansion (rather contraction) of the center panel on a 5-piece door... that is unavoidable if the maker used a solid wood panel.

Second picture looks like normal where and tear - finishes aren't going to standup to years of rough-bottomed jars being drug across a sharp corner.

Third picture looks to me like moisture damage into an mdf stile but it's hard to tell. Looks like that cabinetry is past it's best before date in my opinion.

1/21/22       #3: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
Snapperjoe

Thanks for the response....should brand new cabinets be past their best by date after less than three years? I understand the chipping from useage but I have had painted cabinets before and never had either of the other problems.
If it is unavoidable if the maker used a solid wood panel, should he have used MDF or a different method? It doesn't seem reasonable for 3 year old cabinets to need to be repainted? Also these cabinets were not bargain or cheap afterthoughts...we paid over $20,000 and expected them to last longer than three years before needing to be fixed...am I being unreasonable or are my expectations not realistic?

1/21/22       #4: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
Mark B

First, your gonna hear it that this forum is a commercial forum and that you checked a box and that this type of post is inappropriate or not allowed here.

Second, while its the current trend, white or most any pigmented finish, on shaker cabs, is akin to when people buy a black car and everyone says "hard to keep clean". The cracks at the panel/rail/stile are pretty much inevitable unless you either use crap MDF routed doors (no panel/rail stile, door machined out of ground sawdust), or the manufacturer leaves a large gap there so the finish doesnt bridge over that joint. Both are what you will see at the home center on even "high end" cabinetry. Intentional gaps to avoid posts like yours. Your doors look well made as these manufacturers would typically have an intentional edge at the rail/stile where you see a very small crack in one of your images.

The edge of the shelf/bottom of the cabinet is clearly heavy wear. Hard to say if a different finish would have avoided that but you can look at new high dollar cars and see all sorts of scratches around the door handles where women (or men) dont take their nails, jewelry, key rings, into consideration and that heavy wear point is all scratched up while the rest of the paint looks acceptable.

The finish issue on the top edge of the door, in my opinion, does look like poor edge soak where the stile sucked up most of the finish and left it a bit thin.

Painted cabinets are what they are and no different than a painted car, they dont hide things as well as a natural finish. Had these cabinets been stained wood/clear I'd guess youd never see any of these issues other than burning through the shelf.

1/21/22       #5: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
Robert Member

Do you know the type of finish that was applied ?

1/21/22       #6: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
Brent Member

I agree with everything Mark said - also to the point that this is a commercial forum and I don't want to be sucked into critiquing others' work without ever having seen it in-person. That being said, I have my custom tool supplier grind a "paint notch" into the knife that plows the panel groove to avoid this very issue of finish cracking and the panel-to-frame joint. We as cabinetmakers are not perfect... even the climate in the house will have an impact on the doors' longevity, and we have no control over that.

Re: the finish on the edge of the shelf: I've even seen UV prefinished plywood and melamine coatings fail in this type of high/hard use area. It is what it is, and when I complete install on a kitchen I make a point of telling the client that the finish WILL where depending on how they treat it... this usually compels most clients to respect what they just paid thousands for.

1/22/22       #7: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
Kevin Dunphy

Website: http://www.kdunphy.com/

There is a code or a line I won't cross bad mouth someone to make myself feel better.

1/22/22       #8: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
Kevin Dunphy

Website: http://www.kdunphy.com/

Also forgot as a homeowner you should spend the time to understand the basics so you can be part of the process and understand. Here is a video on finishing basic there is nothing in those pictures that can't be fixed

In the second video on the problem of installation not having communication between trades, it's the responsibility of a homeowner to oversee if they are hiring all the trades.

I know you fell robbed but did you visit the shop during the construction of cabinets? it's important

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCW9trTickI&t=297s

1/22/22       #9: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
Kevin Dunphy

Website: http://www.kdunphy.com/

Sorry here second video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCW9trTickI&t=297s

1/22/22       #10: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
RichC

What no comments that I wasn't the one to point out the forum bylaws?
I feel slighted.

1/22/22       #11: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
Mark B

We all knew you were coming Rich. But we were just bored so couldnt resist.

1/22/22       #12: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
RichC

I'm leaving it up to you guys. I get attacked when I do it, you guys got off easily.

1/25/22       #13: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
Scott

Rich,
I appreciate where you are coming from, however I can understand a homeowner going to a professional website to ask a question about something like this.
We all know contractors or cabinet shops that have been less than stellar when it comes to customer service.
The poster is not asking how to build a kitchen or how to paint a cabinet door, but if the wear and tear is normal.
I like others don’t know all the details so I won’t comment on this particular kitchen, maybe there was an issue with the finish, maybe there was extra abuse on the cabinets? I have no idea.
I have no problem saying that most of the guys on this forum who comment and help each other on a day to day basis would supply a kitchen that with normal wear and tear would not look like that after 3 years.
What is being done to rectify the issues? There can be issues with wood movement or a bad finish material that could cause a problem like shown, but is your contractor standing by their work?

1/26/22       #14: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
RichC

Scott, I'm not going to touch any comments. All I get is grief.

1/26/22       #15: Painted Cabinets Chipping ...
Scott

Rich,

I wouldn’t worry about the grief, you are from the old school and you are a straight shooter and to the point, Years ago when I first came to this site, I was like who is this Rich guy, he seems kind of harsh sometimes and then I figured it out over time. You were not being harsh at all, just telling it the way it is.
There is a definite generational thing these days, I have taken a lot of leadership courses and a couple of them were on the different generations, mostly the baby boomers, the genX and genY’s, along with the millennials.
As time has gone on we have tried to become a kinder and gentler society, if you screwed up years ago, you were maybe yelled at or chewed out, now days you have to have a coaching session if an employee is not performing to standards.
Anyways I sure appreciate the knowledge of the folks that have been doing this work their whole lives.
Sometime you will have to tell us about that cnc router you bought yourself.


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