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10/1/19       
Dropout Member

Good afternoon all.

I'm a flat table person. Lots and lots of sheet goods.

I need to do some 1 7/8 maple parts from 8" by 30+" blanks and would like to use pods. I'm worried about stability.

What size and how many pods should I use?

What feed rates? I've get a good finish at 300 IPM but worry about pushing the parts off sideways.

Is there a better way?

Any and all comments and suggestions welcome.

10/1/19       #2: Pods ...
Ian

I don't usually go over 150 IPM on our pod and rail, but if you have a table I'm assuming you can load it up pretty well, use as many as you can fit. What thickness?

10/2/19       #3: Pods ...
BH Davis  Member

Website: http://www.bhdavis.net

You can screw down vac pods to your existing spoil board and then use a true vacuum pump vs. your regenerative blower to pull a vacuum on the pods. If you don't have a pump that will pull 26" though then this is not likely to work for you.

Since your parts are only about 8" x 30" rectangles, and they are only held by vac pods, you will probably see some twisting of the wood as the cut is made. To resolve this use side and end blocks around the blank, screwed down to the table, to lock the blank in place so it can't twist.

Then make your cuts with multiple passes that are at most 1/2" deep. It might actually be faster to run 1/4" deep passes at a higher feed rate. Either way about 18,000 rpm at around a 100 to 200 ipm feed rate is what you will likely need to be running. The smaller the bit diameter the better but 1 7/8" overall depth in maple will limit how small you can go.

Depending upon what you are cutting, and the volume of parts, it might be faster to just screw the blanks down through the scrap side of the cut and then onion skin at about 1/16" thick. This might require some creative method for removing the onion skin such as making the parts over thick and then clearing the onion skin on a wide belt sander or planer. A final CNC pass would of course be quicker and simpler but that will depend upon the part staying stable when being cut free......which can be difficult to pull off.

The biggest issue is, as stated above, the fact that a rectangular blank will want to twist if it his held with vac pods. If you can run multiple parts out of a longer board that will help as you can use fewer anti-twist blocks mounted further apart.

BH Davis

10/2/19       #4: Pods ...
Mike

I have a flat table too. Matrix grid underneath. I make custom fixtures to hold solid wood parts. just offset the shape of the part to the inside, cut an 1/8" groove for 1/8" x 1/4" gasket. Inside of that geometry, cut a pocket 1/8" deep in your scrap melamine fixture for the vacuum area. inside this area is a thru hole or holes for vacuum to be pulled from the grid table. Part will stay in place. I'll attach a picture.


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10/2/19       #5: Pods ...
BH Davis  Member

Website: http://www.bhdavis.net

Mike,

Yes.......another very good method. I'll only add that you refer to a "grid table" so I take it that running with a rotary vane or similar vac pump vs. a regenerative blower. As I mentioned that's what it would take for vac pods........or custom fixtures like yours......to work.

Please correct me if you are indeed pulling this off with a regenerative blower. I'd like to know the specifics.

Thanks,
BH Davis

10/2/19       #7: Pods ...
Mike

Yes, rotary vane. These fixtures need very little vacuum. The gasket seals the part to the fixture. Don't know why it wouldn't work with a blower. If your blower works with pods, it will work with this type.

10/7/19       #8: Pods ...
cabinetmaker

I run tons of Arrows of Light for scouts with the way Mike has the melamine cut except I usually screw in from the bottom.

I also have run 8/4 birch and maple that way too

10/8/19       #9: Pods ...
Mike McClaran

You have received all good info here Dropout. It sounds like you are the perfect candidate for BVC. For fast and easy set up, with no jigs,foam gasket, or screws to send a spark up your dust collector, our FL series cups are your solution. I can assure you your bottle neck is not the power of holding your parts, but likely your tooling. If you have a 10 ft machine you might even be able to leave the Green Cups on the end that you don't use anyway. We have done extensive research at BVC and our findings show you will lose 20-30% holding power with a regenerative blower versus a vain pump. With the best holding power around BVC will work with either one.
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10/4/22       #10: Pods ...
Mike McClaran

Website: http://www.bettervacuumcups.com

This video will help a lot of you on this subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_R4BZsKwqs&t=4s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_R4BZsKwqs&t=4s


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