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1/18/21       
mike

i recently was part of a small kitchen refinishing project. I moved a few cabinets and my finisher was in charge of painting the 70's era med. stained cherry cabinets. The end process was to sand the cabinets then 2 coats of SW vinyl sealer. then one and then another coat of catalyzed topcoat. We are continuing to have brown bleed through which is the only reason there are 4 coats on it. We have a SW rep. coming out soon but he has stated that he has no answer up his sleeve. We realize we are maxed out on finish mills. Does anyone have a product to consider using to stop the bleed through? Please, please no needless talk of who's at fault or what should have been done or contracts or whatever. This guy is a pro and a friend and we just need to find a solution and we are at a loss how to proceed. His whole business is refinishing kitchens on site but this one has him stumped and he is just frustrated. Any advice? this was a small job for a young couple who opted for the better sprayed finish instead of it being brush painted

1/19/21       #2: finish bleed through ...
mastercabman

I would of used a white vinyl primer

You might still be able to do it if you sand some of the coating off
I use WVP all the time when refinishing stained cabinets and never had a bleed through
I use MLC product

1/19/21       #3: finish bleed through ...
mike

thanks. I'm almost sure he used a white VS. I don't think he uses MLC though which could have a different makeup. He has sprayed many a cherry cabinet but this one is behaving different. When i was reworking the few cabinets i did notice the finish gummed up my sandpaper quite a bit. Maybe a lack of catalyst (?) but definitely softer than normal. We will likely do a test door then run the doors through a wide belt to remove some of the thickness and then respray. We meet with the rep. today. Do you think spraying the best BIN 1st would help under the finish?

1/19/21       #4: finish bleed through ...
rich c

He should have used a strong degreaser before starting to sand. Cherry isn't an issue.

1/19/21       #5: finish bleed through ...
fm

shellac primer will solve that. Spray it super thin. Don't sand and spray a light coat of your catalyzed topcoat over it and your should be done. You can even "spot" prime it mostly likely in bleed through area and use the rattle cans.

1/20/21       #6: finish bleed through ...
mike

thank you. A shellac primer would be like the original BIN is that correct? So we met with the rep and he gave me a can each of SW oil and latex spray can stain blocker to test on an unused door. 2 coats of the oil based covered well but after like 12 hrs a patch of brown is showing through. The latex had a spray problem so i nixed that one. will try shellac.....

1/20/21       #7: finish bleed through ...
FM

They will sell you BIN shellac white in a rattle can. And I’d find a new rep. Any rep that is going to have you shoot solvent over oil and to a lesser extent water base primer is not a rep, just a sales person.

1/20/21       #8: finish bleed through ...
mike

whatever. at least this rep came to the house. the other just said 'i dont know' Plus i didnt even pay for the primer. in addition he told me not to spray CV over it. that was my initial thought. Once again you couldn't help yourself.....even though i asked you not to.

1/20/21       #9: finish bleed through ...
FM

You asked us not to talk down about the finisher or who was at fault. I did neither. I told you your rep was not worth going to knowledge for. Great, he will show up and give you bad advice- let me know how that works out for you. Your welcome.

1/20/21       #10: finish bleed through ...
DannyB Member

Err, he said the rep specifically said not to shoot CV over it.
So what exactly is the bad advice?

Seems like the rep is trying to see if other products block the tannins effectively or if it's something else.

That seems at least reasonable to try?

1/21/21       #11: finish bleed through ...
mastercabman

Mike
Did he use a vinyl primer or a vinyl sealer?
If he use a primer,did it bleed through?

1/24/21       #12: finish bleed through ...
mike

thanks for the reply's. I would need to check on the sealer/primer thing. I kind of pulled back a bit to concentrate on a kitchen remodel we started this week. The kitchen in question is basically done and i told them they might as well use it and enjoy it to give us time to come to a conclusion. I have not tried the shellac BIN yet but am hoping to try that soon. I will continue to post our results. I am thinking we are going to try to have the client pick out the worst offending doors and work on them as opposed to redoing the whole kitchen. After seeing it, it really looks great; just these few area's lightly bleeding through.

1/25/21       #13: finish bleed through ...
rich c

"After seeing it, it really looks great; just these few area's lightly bleeding through."

Hilarious! It either looks great, or it doesn't. Nothing in the middle.


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