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Two-phase and three-phase motors in a machine, what are they?

8/22/22       
Rudolf  Member

Website: wattsan.com/

Many people confuse motor phase with electrical voltage phase. Despite the same terminology, these are different things.

A three-phase motor differs from a two-phase motor in that it has a smaller swivel angle. These motors are usually put on laser machines to achieve greater accuracy. A two-phase motor is more powerful, so they are used on milling machines.

Am I right or there are another differences?

8/23/22       #2: Two-phase and three-phase motors in ...
Leo G Member

No such thing as two phase. Single phase or 3 phase for normal residential or commercial. Single phase motors are either universal or inductance. Inductance motors come in many flavors. 3 phase motors are more for industrial purposes and can be easier to control with a VFD. By varying the frequency of the VFD you can vary the RPM of the motor. Something that's not easily done with a single phase inductance motor.

Your laser motor description sounds like a step motor.

8/23/22       #3: Two-phase and three-phase motors in ...
Acctek  Member

Website: https://www.acctekgroup.com/index.html

Three-phase electricity is three phase lines, and the voltage between the three lines is 380v, which is used for three-phase power supply equipment, such as three-phase motors; two-phase electricity is two phase lines, and the voltage between the lines is also 380v, generally AC Welders are used more; single-phase electricity is composed of a phase line and a zero line, and the voltage is 220v, which is mainly used for household appliances.

8/24/22       #4: Two-phase and three-phase motors in ...
Rudolf  Member

Website: wattsan.com/

Thanks for the feedback!

8/24/22       #5: Two-phase and three-phase motors in ...
Adea00Leka Member

Website: https://virmer.com

Two-phase motors are inferior to three-phase motors in pitch accuracy, but this can be compensated for by crushing the motor pitch. They are also cheaper than three-phase motors. Two-phase stepper motors are mostly mounted on heavy and massive machine assemblies. If we apply pitch splitting to a three-phase motor, it will be even more accurate, which will be very useful when doing detailed engraving.

8/26/22       #6: Two-phase and three-phase motors in ...
BH Davis  Member

Website: http://www.bhdavis.net

My first reaction was to echo LeoG and say there is no such thing as a two-phase motor. People often confuse the name single phase with that. However since others did not say the same thing I did a little investigation and came up with the following:

https://clr.es/blog/en/single-phase-two-phase-three-phase-motors/ >It seems that once upon a time there were two phase motors so the original poster could indeed be looking at such a thing. According to the above article they were dual voltage motors.

In the modern world though I would still say that the terms are 3-phase and single-phase. My experience is that 3-phase motors are less expensive than single phase in a direct horsepower comparison.

The primary reason to use a 3-phase motor is that you are splitting the voltage and current draw between 3 legs instead of a single leg on a single phase motor, where the current goes out on the line leg and returns to ground on the neutral. In the 3-phase motor the outflow current is split into 3 separate legs. That makes for less current required for each leg to handle, and subsequently, a smaller gauge wire can be used.

BH Davis

8/26/22       #7: Two-phase and three-phase motors in ...
Leo G Member

I've heard of split phase motors myself

8/30/22       #8: Two-phase and three-phase motors in ...
Michael Member

split phase motors ?? Interesting

8/31/22       #9: Two-phase and three-phase motors in ...
HGLASER Member

Website: https://www.hglaserglobal.com/news/product-buying-...

"A two-phase motor is a system that has two voltages 90 degrees apart, which is no longer in use nowadays. The alternator is composed of two windings placed at 90 degrees from each other.

They require 2 live and one ground wire that work in two phases. One increases the current up to 240v for the motion, and the other one maintains the fluidity of the current for the use of the motor.

A three-phase motor is an electric machine that transforms electric power into mechanical energy by means of electromagnetic interactions. Some electric motors are reversible – they can transform mechanical energy into electric power acting as generators.

They work by using a three-phase power source. They are driven by three alternating currents of the same frequency, which peak at alternating moments. They can have a power of up to 300KW and speeds ranging between 900 and 3600 RPM.

Three conductor lines are used for transmission, but the final use requires 4-wire cables, which correspond to the 3 phases plus neutral.

Three-phase electric power is the most common method in use in electric grids around the world since it transfers more power, and it sees significant use in the industrial sector."

I think this may be helpful.

https://clr.es/blog/en/single-phase-two-phase-three-phase-motors/

8/31/22       #10: Two-phase and three-phase motors in ...
Adea00Leka Member

Website: https://virmer.com/


To HGLASER

Thank you for such a detailed description. Yes, it will come in handy.

10/13/22       #11: Two-phase and three-phase motors in ...
Scott

3 phase power uses all 3 legs. You can use smaller wire to get higher amps than single phase. The power is also easier to balance. Single phase only uses 1 leg.
3 phase has nothing to do with voltage, there are generally 3 different voltages that are common, people call it by different numbers , 208-240, 380-440 and 600. Make sure when buying a machine you buy one to match your voltage. However transformers are cheap compared to equipment costs to change your voltage.
If you hook up a machine and it is running the wrong direction, all you have to do is switch any two of the wires and it will run the other direction.


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