Question (WOODWEB Member) :
My company was looking to build some cement weights for the tops of our lumber in our air dried yard to keep the top packs from warping. Does anyone have any knowledge in this and maybe some guidance on what to do and use? How heavy do they need to be, etc.?
Forum Responses
(Sawing and Drying Forum)
From Gene Wengert, forum technical advisor:
Every bit of weight helps. Also, the weights act as a roof to shed water and this is a huge benefit, maybe more than the weight effect. Weights benefit the top three-five layers. Concrete weights are often used up to about 10" thick; rebar is necessary. The greatest benefit is with 150 pounds per square feet. More than this is not helpful. Note that with several packs of lumber in one pile the bottom packs already have a lot of weight. Do you notice that the lumber in the bottom packs is flatter? Oftentimes, the bottom lumber is not flatter because stacking is not perfect. The key to effective top weights is perfect stacking and 4x4’s under every sticker column.
| Common Lumber Name | A | B | C |
| Hardwoods | |||
| Alder, Red | 9.9 | 19.2 | 2506 |
| Apple | 10.9 | 31.7 | 4132 |
| Ash, Black | 9.3 | 23.4 | 4132 |
| Ash, Green | 14.3 | 27.6 | 3590 |
| Aspen, Bigtooth | 10.3 | 18.7 | 2439 |
| Aspen, Quaking | 10.3 | 18.2 | 2373 |
| Basswood | 6.2 | 16.6 | 2174 |
| Beech, American | 8.9 | 29.1 | 3793 |
| Birch, Paper | 8.8 | 25.0 | 3260 |
| Birch, Sweet | 11.9 | 31.2 | 4065 |
| Birch, Yellow | 9.2 | 28.6 | 3723 |
| Buckeye | 8.9 | 17.2 | 2235 |
| Butternut | 11.3 | 18.7 | 2440 |
| Cherry | 13.8 | 24.4 | 3184 |
| Chesnut, American | 11.6 | 20.8 | 2708 |
| Cottonwood | 8.5 | 16.1 | 2102 |
| Dogwood | 6.8 | 33.3 | 4331 |
| Elm, American | 10.2 | 23.9 | 3116 |
| Elm, Rock | 12.2 | 29.6 | 3860 |
| Elm, slippery | 11.5 | 25.0 | 3251 |
| Hackberry | 11.8 | 25.5 | 3319 |
| Hickory, Bitternut (Pecan) | 14.7 | 31.2 | 4062 |
| Hickory (True) | |||
| Hickory, Mockernut | 9.1 | 33.3 | 4332 |
| Hickory, Pignut | 9.3 | 34.3 | 4332 |
| Hickory, Shagbark | 10.9 | 33.3 | 4333 |
| Hickory, Shellbark | 6.6 | 32.2 | 4195 |
| Holly, American | 8.3 | 26.0 | 3387 |
| Hophornbeam, Eastern | 7.9 | 32.8 | 4266 |
| Laurel, California | 15.1 | 26.5 | 3456 |
| Locust, Black | 21.2 | 34.3 | 4470 |
| Madrone, Pacific | 7.8 | 30.2 | 3925 |
| Maple (Soft) | |||
| Maple, Bigleaf | 12.8 | 22.9 | 2980 |
| Maple, Red | 13.1 | 25.5 | 3318 |
| Maple, Silver | 12.4 | 22.9 | 2981 |
| Maple (Hard) | |||
| Maple, Black | 12.3 | 27.0 | 3523 |
| Maple, Sugar | 12.3 | 29.1 | 3793 |
| Oak (Red) | |||
| Oak, Black | 11.7 | 29.1 | 3792 |
| Oak, California black | 16.4 | 26.5 | 3455 |
| Oak, Laurel | 6.3 | 29.1 | 3791 |
| Oak, Northern red | 13.6 | 29.1 | 3793 |
| Oak, Pin | 13.0 | 30.2 | 3928 |
| Oak, Scarlet | 13.2 | 31.2 | 4065 |
| Oak, Southern red | 9.6 | 27.0 | 3520 |
| Oak, Water | 10.4 | 29.1 | 3793 |
| Oak, Willow | 6.4 | 29.1 | 3790 |
| Oak (White) | |||
| Oak, Bur | 15.4 | 30.2 | 3928 |
| Oak, Chestnut | 10.1 | 29.6 | 3858 |
| Oak, Live | 17.5 | 41.6 | 5417 |
| Oak, Overcup | 10.7 | 29.6 | 3860 |
| Oak, Post | 11.0 | 31.2 | 4063 |
| Oak, Swamp chestnut | 10.7 | 31.2 | 4063 |
| Oak, White | 10.8 | 31.2 | 4062 |
| Persimmon | 7.0 | 33.3 | 4332 |
| Sweetgum | 8.9 | 23.9 | 3115 |
| Sycamore | 10.7 | 23.9 | 3115 |
| Tanoak | 9.0 | 30.2 | 3926 |
| Tupelo, Black | 10.4 | 23.9 | 3116 |
| Tupelo, Water | 12.4 | 23.9 | 3115 |
| Walnut | 13.4 | 26.5 | 3454 |
| Willow, Black | 8.6 | 18.7 | 2438 |
| Yellow-poplar | 10.6 | 20.8 | 2708 |
| Common Lumber Name | A | B | C |
| Softwoods | |||
| Baldcypress | 13.2 | 21.9 | 2844 |
| Cedar, Alaska | 14.4 | 21.9 | 2844 |
| Cedar, Atlantic white | 10.9 | 16.1 | 2100 |
| Cedar, eastern red | 16.4 | 22.9 | 2981 |
| Cedar, Incense | 13.1 | 18.2 | 2371 |
| Cedar, Northern white | 11.1 | 15.1 | 1964 |
| Cedar, Port-Orford | 12.6 | 20.2 | 2641 |
| Cedar, Western red | 12.2 | 16.1 | 2100 |
| Douglas-fir, Coast type | 12.3 | 23.4 | 3049 |
| Douglas-fir, Interior west | 13.2 | 23.9 | 3116 |
| Douglas-fir, Interior north | 14.0 | 23.4 | 3048 |
| Fir, Balsam | 9.9 | 17.2 | 2236 |
| Fir, California red | 10.6 | 18.7 | 2437 |
| Fir, Grand | 10.7 | 18.2 | 2371 |
| Fir, Noble | 10.1 | 19.2 | 2507 |
| Fir, Pacific silver | 10.4 | 20.8 | 2711 |
| Fir, Subalpine | 10.5 | 16.1 | 2101 |
| Fir, White | 12.2 | 19.2 | 2506 |
| Hemlock, Eastern | 12.6 | 19.8 | 2573 |
| Hemlock, Western | 11.5 | 21.8 | 2847 |
| Larch, Western | 11.3 | 25.0 | 3251 |
| Pine, Eastern white | 12.3 | 17.7 | 2303 |
| Pine, Lodgepole | 11.5 | 19.8 | 2576 |
| Pine, Ponderosa | 12.6 | 19.8 | 2573 |
| Pine, Red | 12.2 | 21.3 | 2777 |
| Southern yellow group | |||
| Pine, Loblolly | 12.9 | 24.4 | 3183 |
| Pine, Longleaf | 15.0 | 28.1 | 3658 |
| Pine, Shortleaf | 12.9 | 24.4 | 3183 |
| Pine, Sugar | 12.6 | 17.7 | 2302 |
| Pine, Western white | 10.0 | 18.2 | 2370 |
| Redwood, Old growth | 14.9 | 19.8 | 2573 |
| Redwood, Second growth | 13.2 | 17.7 | 2302 |
| Spruce, Black | 11.3 | 19.8 | 2575 |
| Spruce, Engelmann | 10.0 | 17.2 | 2234 |
| Spruce, Red | 10.6 | 19.2 | 2506 |
| Spruce, Sitka | 10.8 | 19.2 | 2506 |
| Tamarack | 12.0 | 25.5 | 3318 |