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Buffing or Radius Scraping


We are looking at adding a brandt ambition edgebander to be able to do frameless kitchens and smaller commercial jobs. We currently only do face frame cabinetry. This unit can be equipped with pre mill which sounds necessary? There are two stations open for either flat scraping, buffing, or radius scraping.

Could someone who uses these machines explain why I should opt for radius scraping over buffing? Im thinking scraping and radius scraping are the two most important options, but Ive never actually watched the process of an automatic bander.

Any help is appreciated!

4/9/16       #3: Buffing or Radius Scraping ...
james mcgrew Member

Bump,,, I wanna hear these answers as Well I own two Brandts kd 53 and 54 and yesterday began the process of new and larger. I could learn more and will ask my guys about this, We rarely if ever have turned on the buffer.

4/9/16       #4: Buffing or Radius Scraping ...
Hen Bob Member

We have a Brandt KD 77C with everything but premill. The buffer station gets used every time it runs pvc, it softens the edge so its not so sharp.

The radius scraping is for the thicker banding, 3mm & 2mm. Its necessary to clean up the cutter marks on the thicker stuff.

Wood tape gets sanded anyways so the buffing station isn't needed.

I have a new one with premill on the way so if anyone is interested in the KD77 contact me, its a great machine that runs everyday with no problems

4/10/16       #5: Buffing or Radius Scraping ...
Tom C

Hi All
Got your Answer...
I have had 4 Edgebanders in 30 + years.
An Olimpic, 2 Holz-her's and and this past July we recieved a Brandt 1110 FSB edgebander.
It has Premill, Buffing and scraping.
All Manually 'Tweak-able" I can run a few test pieces.
I did not want the onscreen all adjustable,scared of the breakdown servo's ,$$ and all...

Buffing,as Hen Bob replies, it softens the edges on PVC.We turn it off for wood edges.
I try to push 1 MM as the thickness of EB that we use.
This is the most widely available to match the Tafisa Melamine we use for Cabinets,closets.
We had 1 MM round over scrapers put in.
We just did a 20 sheet closet cut-up ( SCMI Slider),
in Tafisa's Lattitude North, A texured White woodgrain.
With the set-up of Premill,1 MM scraping, Buffing.
Got the cleanest edges ever !
Premill makes the scoring blade overcut disappear.
If I could have backed in my van far enough in the shop ,
all the shelves would have went right in my van without any other handwork.
Something I could not do with the HH 1436SE I had for the last 10 Yrs of it's life.

The 2 times I have gotten requests for 3 MM EB ,One was a stock grey( Folkstone)
That was 2 years ago,We did it on the HH. Rounded it all with a 1/8" Bit in a laminate trimmer.
Lot's Of Filing !

The other time would have required us to get the 15K Ft minimum.
We just needed three rolls for that color!
Case of Architect seeing something ,goes "OH I like it", and writes it in the Specs....It's not his money...

If you are anticipating doing alot of 3MM for large commercial jobs, I would be looking at Homag's anyway.

I looked at the belt speed of the FSB1110 , Thought it was a little slow compared to others.
But the point that you can send another piece in is pretty short.
We are at about the 80 hour point where they say to take out the glue pot and clean it.
I don't know if I will skip that for a while longer,as we have kept it super clean and have not cooked the glue !.
Any advice on this ! appreciated...

All in All , I am happy with it.
Got it just under 40K on a lease from a Stiles dealer, with good 2 day training -setup from them.
Have yet to call them back on anything...
Hope this helps you out on your decision.
Tom C
Thomas Charles Cabinetry

4/10/16       #6: Buffing or Radius Scraping ...

Great info. Thanks guys.

So it looks like the ambition 1110 top and bottom trimmers can be indexed to slighty radius the profile. This negates the need for radius scraping unless you're doing 3mm? We are also looking at the 1110 fsb, but I believe our current quote has the station control at the touch screen. I didnt know it was an option to have it removed!

4/10/16       #7: Buffing or Radius Scraping ...
james mcgrew Member

has anyone price the 1210 and the 1210 fc highflex..

it looks like the gillotine has finally gone away, biggest problem we had

4/10/16       #8: Buffing or Radius Scraping ...
Tom C

You are correct,
With the flic of a lever and locking bar you can go from straight to round over trimming.
Station Control ? It has a few programs onsreen for what you are running, basically the on /off for buffing ect...
You still manually move straight or radius cutters & scraping. no servos or PCS system (HH) to worry about.
Takes us less than a minute to change over now that we have done it dozens of times.
The machine was delivered with 3 mm cutters and scrapers.
We asked for the 1MM setup knowing what we do.
I did not keep the 3 mm setup for the several hundred dollars that Stiles wanted.
I know if I run into a big enough 3 MM job I can get these aftermarket cheaper somewhere.
They are Lietz brand,but my local saw guy will make any custom inserts.
I think the scrapers get it just that micron closer to perfect. I think it does it's job well.
I was never told that this was not on option ?.. on the FSB....

James-If not a Gillotine ? What-a laser sword ?
If you need more info PM me with a Phone #

4/11/16       #9: Buffing or Radius Scraping ...

We've got an HH with glue scrapping, works well for a few 100' then needs to be cleaned. There is a blower on it but glue doesn't blow! Our main bander is a lot heavier and equipped with radius scrapping. We do mostly 2 & 3mm and the profile scrappers do a good job. When running very dark colors we turn on the reheat blower to shine the cut edges. The buffers work well but won't compensate for poor setup or too much glue. They have to be cleaned and moved in as they wear. Corner rounding works well & saves lots of time but the end cuts are not treated by the scrapping, buffing or reheat. Mostly we ignor that. The Scotch bright buffers work great on HPL. I've never had pre-mill. My next bander will have laser edge capability.

4/13/16       #10: Buffing or Radius Scraping ...

Thanks. I think we're going to go with the brandt ambition 1110fsb through stiles. Radius scraping seems unnecessary for our first machine.

James - I got prices for the brandt ambition 1210 and 1230 if you need them. Not the highflex. That baby looks nice.

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