Safety Speed Cut Thermwood Corporation ECabinet Systems

Cabinetmaking

You are not logged in. [ Login ] Why log in
(NOTE: Login is not required to post)

Blum compact 39c overlay hinges

7/4/20       
Jim Member

I'm making some cabinets with 1 1/2" face frames and want to have a 1 1/4" overlay (doors are 18" x 26"). I'm considering the Blum Compact Blumotion 39c hinges but they only mount with 1 screw and I'm concerned that they will come loose with use. I would prefer hinges that mount with 2 screws. The other Blum models have 2 screws but less overlay.

Does anyone have experience with the 39C series? Do they come loose?

7/5/20       #2: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
MarkB Member

In my experience the wrap style hinges are less of an issue with any type of slippage or coming loose and more an issue in regards to the amount of leverage the door will put on a face frame, or even worse, a mid stile, and torque'ing the face frame.

A wrap with a good #10x3/4 nickel pan head screw isnt going to go anywhere but it will likely twist the face frame if you run standard 1/4" face frame overlap on the carcass and 1/2" boxes. If you run 3/4" boxes (pray for your back and hernia package) you'd have less of an issue.

We build flush interiors and dont use wrap hinges so top hinge mounts with three screws on the plate, bottom has 2 screws on the plate, and they are in full contact with the interior.

We do run the wraps on mid stiles because the plate sticking back into mid air on the mid's is disgusting. Tall uppers and for sure with certain species you can see the mid stile facer frame twist all day long when you have to hinge on one.

7/6/20       #3: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
Dennis Bean  Member

Website: http://www.saliceamerica.com

Hello Jim,

I thought I would chime in here as this is an important topic to look at Salice hinges. First, Blum does not offer a 2-screw hinge in a face frame (wrap-around) hinge. They only offer this for a Euro hinge with a frame adapter mounting plate. You are correct, the 1-1/4” overlay is not possible.

Salice offers both single screw and two screw in a soft close face frame hinge. From testing I can confirm that both are equally as “strong” assuming the correct screw is used. See Mark’s post above.
Weight load: 20lbs for doors with 2 hinges and up to 24” wide.

Here are some differences:

The single screw hinge has tabs both front and back on the face frame that capture the hinge on a ¾” face frame. The 2-screw hinge has tabs only on the front. This allows for the hinge to be accurately indexed off the front of the face frame while not being restricted to ¾” frame thickness. Some markets historically use 7/8” thick frames.

MOST IMPORTNT: The single screw hinge has a slotted hole for the screw that attaches the hinge to the frame. This is also the way height adjustment is made by loosening this screw moving the door then re-tightening the screw. Many prefer the 2-screw hinge due to the cam adjustment for height adjustment. It is automatic and there is never a need to loosen a screw from the wood to make an adjustment.

The single screw hinge has 2 cam adjustments and one manual adjustment. The two screw hinge has all three adjustments by automatic cam.

Although the 2-screw costs slightly more (very little) the appearance spells “custom” as the hinges appear stronger with 2 screws and sets this hinge apart from all they cabinets your customer will see at the big box stores. It is a selling point for you.

The screw you use with a 2-screw hinge is a #6 X 5/8”. This is the same screw you likely use for other hardware like drawer slides. There is no need to keep that #10 X ¾” screw around.

Both are soft close with an adjustable soft close feature.

I hope this helps. Best of luck.

Dennis

Here are the technical details for both from our catalog an a link to the information on our web site.


View higher quality, full size image (1122 X 994)


View higher quality, full size image (1065 X 1373)


View higher quality, full size image (1065 X 1377)

Salice Three Cam Face Frame Hinges

7/7/20       #4: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
JoeW Member

Jim,

I use both the Blum (38's & 39"s) and Salice. I prefer to use the Salice for the two screw and adjustment capabilities.

But Blum has more overlay possibilities. So I find I use them more than I'd like.

Biggest short coming to the Salice is the experience of the installer. Good shop help is hard to come by. If a careless employee installs incorrectly, you now have two out of place screw holes, not one to deal with.

7/7/20       #5: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
Jim Member

Hi Mark and Joe,

Thank you for your thoughts. Mark-I'm glad to hear the single #10 screw will not loosen.

My cabinets are 3/4" plywood boxes with 3/4" thick face frames. How wide are your face frames? I am planning to make them 1.5" wide. One idea I had was to make the face frames narrower (1" or 1.25") and use the Blum soft close BLUMotion clip top face frame hinges (max overlay of 3/4"). Then I could get the advantage of a two screw hinge and still have a "full overlay" look. What do you think? How wide do you usually make your face frames?

Comparing Salice and Blum, (besides the 2 vs one screw and more overlay possibilities with Blum) is there anything about Blum or Salice that you think make one better than the other?

I've tried to find some kind of review of hinge models and that seems hard to come by.

7/8/20       #6: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
Dennis Bean  Member

Website: http://www.saliceamerica.com

Jim,

I would be happy to send you some samples of both the face frame hinge and our Silentia+ hinge. The Silentia+ would be similar to the clip-top hinge that you mention. You can send me your address to my email listed above.

Dennis

7/8/20       #7: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
MB

Why not just build them frameless if your after a frameless look?

7/8/20       #8: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
Al

Yes Salice is better. Why? Because the gentleman named Dennis just offered you samples. I have used Salice since mid 90’s and myself like many others on this site like the quality of the hinges and the outstanding support from Dennis.


Post a Response
  • Notify me of responses to this thread
  • Subscribe to email updates on this Forum
  • To receive email notification of additions to this forum thread,
    enter your name and email address, and then click the
    "Keep Me Posted" button below.

    Please Note: If you have posted a message or response,
    do not submit this request ... you are already signed up
    to receive notification!

    Your Name:
    E-Mail Address:
    Enter the correct numbers into the field below:
     

    Date of your Birth:



    Return to top of page

    Buy & Sell Exchanges | Forums | Galleries | Site Map

    FORUM GUIDELINES: Please review the guidelines below before posting at WOODWEB's Interactive Message Boards (return to top)

  • WOODWEB is a professional industrial woodworking site. Hobbyist and homeowner woodworking questions are inappropriate.
  • Messages should be kept reasonably short and on topic, relating to the focus of the forum. Responses should relate to the original question.
  • A valid email return address must be included with each message.
  • Advertising is inappropriate. The only exceptions are the Classified Ads Exchange, Machinery Exchange, Lumber Exchange, and Job Opportunities and Services Exchange. When posting listings in these areas, review the posting instructions carefully.
  • Subject lines may be edited for length and clarity.
  • "Cross posting" is not permitted. Choose the best forum for your question, and post your question at one forum only.
  • Messages requesting private responses will be removed - Forums are designed to provide information and assistance for all of our visitors. Private response requests are appropriate at WOODWEB's Exchanges and Job Opportunities and Services.
  • Messages that accuse businesses or individuals of alleged negative actions or behavior are inappropriate since WOODWEB is unable to verify or substantiate the claims.
  • Posts with the intent of soliciting answers to surveys are not appropriate. Contact WOODWEB for more information on initiating a survey.
  • Excessive forum participation by an individual upsets the balance of a healthy forum atmosphere. Individuals who excessively post responses containing marginal content will be considered repeat forum abusers.
  • Responses that initiate or support inappropriate and off-topic discussion of general politics detract from the professional woodworking focus of WOODWEB, and will be removed.
  • Participants are encouraged to use their real name when posting. Intentionally using another persons name is prohibited, and posts of this nature will be removed at WOODWEB's discretion.
  • Comments, questions, or criticisms regarding Forum policies should be directed to WOODWEB's Systems Administrator
    (return to top).

    Carefully review your message before clicking on the "Send Message" button - you will not be able to revise the message once it has been sent.

    You will be notified of responses to the message(s) you posted via email. Be sure to enter your email address correctly.

    WOODWEB's forums are a highly regarded resource for professional woodworkers. Messages and responses that are crafted in a professional and civil manner strengthen this resource. Messages that do not reflect a professional tone reduce the value of our forums.

    Messages are inappropriate when their content: is deemed libelous in nature or is based on rumor, fails to meet basic standards of decorum, contains blatant advertising or inappropriate emphasis on self promotion (return to top).

    Libel:   Posts which defame an individual or organization, or employ a tone which can be viewed as malicious in nature. Words, pictures, or cartoons which expose a person or organization to public hatred, shame, disgrace, or ridicule, or induce an ill opinion of a person or organization, are libelous.

    Improper Decorum:   Posts which are profane, inciting, disrespectful or uncivil in tone, or maliciously worded. This also includes the venting of unsubstantiated opinions. Such messages do little to illuminate a given topic, and often have the opposite effect. Constructive criticism is acceptable (return to top).

    Advertising:   The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not an advertising venue. Companies participating in a Forum discussion should provide specific answers to posted questions. WOODWEB suggests that businesses include an appropriately crafted signature in order to identify their company. A well meaning post that seems to be on-topic but contains a product reference may do your business more harm than good in the Forum environment. Forum users may perceive your references to specific products as unsolicited advertising (spam) and consciously avoid your web site or services. A well-crafted signature is an appropriate way to advertise your services that will not offend potential customers. Signatures should be limited to 4-6 lines, and may contain information that identifies the type of business you're in, your URL and email address (return to top).

    Repeated Forum Abuse: Forum participants who repeatedly fail to follow WOODWEB's Forum Guidelines may encounter difficulty when attempting to post messages.

    There are often situations when the original message asks for opinions: "What is the best widget for my type of shop?". To a certain extent, the person posting the message is responsible for including specific questions within the message. An open ended question (like the one above) invites responses that may read as sales pitches. WOODWEB suggests that companies responding to such a question provide detailed and substantive replies rather than responses that read as a one-sided product promotion. It has been WOODWEB's experience that substantive responses are held in higher regard by our readers (return to top).

    The staff of WOODWEB assume no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or outcome of any posting transmitted at WOODWEB's Message Boards. Participants should undertake the use of machinery, materials and methods discussed at WOODWEB's Message Boards after considerate evaluation, and at their own risk. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages it deems inappropriate. (return to top)


  • Forum Posting Help
    Your Name The name you enter in this field will be the name that appears with your post or response (return to form).
    Your Website Personal or business website links must point to the author's website. Inappropriate links will be removed without notice, and at WOODWEB's sole discretion. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links it deems inappropriate. (return to form)
    E-Mail Address Your e-mail address will not be publicly viewable. Forum participants will be able to contact you using a contact link (included with your post) that is substituted for your actual address. You must include a valid email address in this field. (return to form)
    Subject Subject may be edited for length and clarity. Subject lines should provide an indication of the content of your post. (return to form)
    Thread Related Link and Image Guidelines Thread Related Links posted at WOODWEB's Forums and Exchanges should point to locations that provide supporting information for the topic being discussed in the current message thread. The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not to serve as an advertising venue. A Thread Related Link that directs visitors to an area with inappropriate content will be removed. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links or images it deems inappropriate. (return to form)
    Thread Related File Uploads Thread Related Files posted at WOODWEB's Forums and Exchanges should provide supporting information for the topic being discussed in the current message thread. Video Files: acceptable video formats are: .MOV .AVI .WMV .MPEG .MPG .MP4 (Image Upload Tips)   If you encounter any difficulty when uploading video files, E-mail WOODWEB for assistance. The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not to serve as an advertising venue. A Thread Related File that contains inappropriate content will be removed, and uploaded files that are not directly related to the message thread will be removed. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links, files, or images it deems inappropriate. (return to form)
    Limtech Industries, Inc. Lamello
    Today's Sponsors
    • TradeJobPlacement.com
      Individualized Placement Services, Specializing in Millwork Design Engineers
    • Country Saw & Knife
      Complete Sharpening Services for Wood and Metal Saw Blades, Jointer Knives, and Bandsaw Blades
    • WalzCraft
      Custom Doors and Wood Products
    • TradeSoft
      Seamless Management Software to Improve Estimating, Job Costing, Scheduling, Purchasing, Shipping, and Shop Floor Data Collection
    • Weinig Group-USA
      Wood Moulders and Knife Grinding Equipment
    • GreCon
      Spark Detection and Extinguishment Systems and Quality Assurance Measuring Equipment
    • Vexor Custom Woodworking Tools, Inc.
      Custom and Standard Router Bits, Shaper Cutters, Profile Knives, Multi Profile Insert Tooling and More
    • Shop Gear Inc.
      Distributor of Co-matic Power Feeders, Le-matic Portable Edgebanders, and Supplier of Woodworking Machinery, Tooling and Accessories in North America
    • Cabinetshop Maestro
      Web-Based Project Management Software for Custom Cabinet Shops - Manage Jobs from Prospect to Punchlist Through Scheduling, Task Management, Time Tracking and Communication
    • Vacuum Pressing Systems, Inc.
      Vacuum Pressing Equipment - Including Bag and Frame Systems
    • American National Knife
      Manufacturer of HSS and Carbide Tipped Woodworking Knife Sets for Planers, Jointers, Molders, Shapers
    • Safety Speed Manufacturing
      Economical Vertical Panel Saws, Panel Routers, Edgebanders and Widebelt Sanders
    • OMEC/Macoser Inc
      Exclusive Importer of European Woodworking Machinery Since 1988

    Become a Sponsor today!