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Gap when making frame and panel shaker style cabinet

2/16/22       
Peter

I am making Shaker style kitchen cabinets for a customer - painted. This is not my first time making these cabinets. My first project resulted in a small gap between the plywood panel and the wood frame, which the customer was not happy about.

I've tried making the panel and groove as snug as possible but there is still spots that show a small gap when painted. Does anyone have a trick for eliminating the gap between the 1/4 inch plywood panel and the frame? Again, these cabinets are painted using a cream colour paint which accentuates the gap.

2/16/22       #2: Gap when making frame and panel sha ...
Edi Silva

Honestly, I replace all my old Cutters and the new ones that we buy from Freeborn, I request the ease edge, so we have that small radius between frame and panel, not too big, not too small just enough so the paint doesn't have that build up. We primed our panels (Tinted to match finish color) so in case of shrinkage, you don't see that brown line from the MDF, we use CV for paint with the right amount of Mills. 4 out 5 kitchens we are doing now days are Shaker, never had 1 single complained regarding that radius. BTW, we use 3/8'' MDF for panels and back cut to fit the 1/4'' groove.
You said: "I've tried making the panel and groove as snug as possible", what are you using to make your doors? All the sets I know (Unless ordered custom) comes with 1/4'' groove cutter and most the plywood I know isn't 1/4''.

2/16/22       #4: Gap when making frame and panel sha ...
Kevin Dunphy

Website: http://www.kdunphy.com/

Do you use MDF doors or not

I tell customers about the gap beforehand and show them [ need sample or showroom] and explained MDF is cheap cardboard
What worked better for me is using solid mdf panel reversed

It's getting silly about the gap wood will always have a gap somewhere

The last thing customer doesn't know is the difference between laminate high gloss white and polished high gloss white, of course the cost difference. When you explain they think your lying

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Jd2mra1bOlY3127DF7jew

2/16/22       #6: Gap when making frame and panel sha ...
Peter

Thanks all for the quick responses. I use 1/4 plywood for the panels. I cut the groove using two passes over the table saw to get the right width of groove for the plywood. I'll try priming the panel before I assemble to see if that helps and easing the edge slightly.

Your advice is much appreciated.

2/16/22       #7: Gap when making frame and panel sha ...
D Brown

In a pinch You can also shoot a 5/8" pin behind the panel between the frame and panel, this will push the panel forward.

I never had a complaint about it.

2/16/22       #8: Gap when making frame and panel sha ...
Cris

MDF is not cheap cardboard. We have found it to be the perfect mtl. for paint grade doors. 1 piece paint doesn't crack at rail and style joint. Doesn't shrinking and swelling during seasonal changes. doesn't bridge at panel to rail and style intersection. Prep time is zero. Takes paint wonderfully. The biggest problem we have with products like this is we have been telling customers that these products are garbage for so long that we now believe it. During the downturn years 2009 -2013 we got into doing restoration "water damage" and got quite the education. MDF and particle board heal up just as good as plywood and lumber. These two products were engineered for the cabinet industry.

2/16/22       #9: Gap when making frame and panel sha ...
Bruce H

It's a learning curve to spray so that doesn't happen. In your case I'd calk the joint so the paint makes a smooth transition between panel and style. We would do this after the first primer coat. Re-prime and then top coat. We do pre-prime the panels before assembly. Next time experiment with spraying just enough so it is covered but no so much the paint puddles at the style panel joint.

2/16/22       #10: Gap when making frame and panel sha ...
Kevin Dunphy

Website: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Jd2mra1bOlY3127...

Chris, please post your website love seeing other people's work.

Pure garbage MDF and Particleboard that's the tune if your small and want to stay in business most small guys can't compete with a 2 shift 50 person shop pumping out particle board cabinets all-day. So you have to be special unique if I had the money I would hire Dave before he kicks off his work will be worth a lot after hes gone. We have to say were artist period and artists only use the best material.

2/16/22       #11: Gap when making frame and panel sha ...
David R Sochar Member

1/4" ply is not 1/4" . Size your plows to fit w h at they are selling you. A n f plea a e stay away from MDF. You cannot compete with the cheep boys so you should be using the best of materials and working the top of the market.
My opinion, alone

2/16/22       #12: Gap when making frame and panel sha ...
D Brown

You can specify what they call true 1/4" .

2/16/22       #13: Gap when making frame and panel sha ...
Peter Gausden

Thanks again. Lots of good suggestions. I'd like to stay with a plywood panel if possible. I'll try pre-priming the panel before assemble and keep my groove as tight as possible. I have put together some doors to try some of the suggestions in the thread.

Much appreciated.

2/16/22       #14: Gap when making frame and panel sha ...
Jim

We've produced 1000s of doors with MDF panels
We find it superior for paint grade
It's dimensionally stable, flatter, doesn't telegraph grain thru the finish, and adds some weight to the door
My supplier offers raw mdf, mdf core veneered panels in 1/4" and 5.2mm and veneer core plywood in 5.2mm in certain species
I usually order veneered panels on mdf core when possible with matching veneer or mill option back for the same reason as above.
You can order your cutters with 5.2mm if you want to stay with the inferior plywood or 1/4" if you're using true 1/4 panels

2/16/22       #15: Gap when making frame and panel sha ...
door shop guy

Split adjustable groover from Freeborn.

2/21/22       #16: Gap when making frame and panel sha ...
Dhahr Member

You’d have to be sending those rails and stiles over the table saw perfectly twice to get that groove the same width across each stole and rail. If you’re small time like me, just get a good adjustable groove cutter for the router or shaper and use a good featherboard to make sure the groove is parallel to the parts. Then follow the above tips for painting and caulking if needed.

Dan


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