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NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly Cabinet Production

3/14/22       
Rich Member

Website: http://www.perfectocorp.com

Hey Team,

After about a month of CNC Router research, I about to pull the trigger soon a CNC Router.

Shopsabre IS 510 (Very Likely)
New TalentTD4
Hendrick CNC HLD-L

This will be used for high end Low volume cabinet / closet production shop. Is there something that will give me a better cut / finish That i should be looking into? I understand the machines above may not be high production machines. I am more concerned about the quality and staying within my all in Budget of $80K including vacuum pump.

Ive researched and quoted about 2 dozen machines, most are $100k+ Range , which I rather not, unless i really really have to.

Thanks!

3/14/22       #2: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
BH Davis  Member

Website: http://www.bhdavis.net

Did you check out CNT Motion? As shown in photo $68,000. 12HP HSD spindle. Regenerative blower. WinCNC control software. Enroute 6. Long established, well respected company making industrial machines.

https://cntmotion.com/solutions/application/cnc-router-950/

BH Davis

3/14/22       #3: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
Rich Member

I actually do not have that on my list, I will certainly review it. Every-time i research CNC's i discover a new company. Have you worked with their machines before?

3/15/22       #4: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
Tom Gardiner

I would keep an eye on the decibel rating for the vacuum pumps specified. Long term the noise has an impact on the quality of life in the shop. My pump is an oil type Busch. I have had a FMT cnc for 12 years. It has been problem free from day one.
Much of your time savings will be in sheet loading and unloading. Plan your space for efficient material handling and you will minimize time between sheets. Don't neglect dust collection. I recently upgraded my DC and it had reduced the time I spend cleaning the table before loading the cnc.

3/15/22       #5: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
james e mcgrew  Member

Website: mcgrewwoodwork.com

SS, CNT, Freedom and My Machine Camaster are all in the same category of machines, I do exactly what you will be asking of yours and in 10 years my machine has yet to have a problem (only 1) which i was not back in operation within 48 hours (Fed ex timing).
The Camaster has lifetime support, You will need to learn your machine and operation, yet after a period of time some companies will require hourly rates for support.

Camaster provides a support forum which has grown to be probably the largest resource by members of any out there, there are literally hundreds of thousands of post and topics and 60+ thousand members who watch to learn and help at all hours. this comes real handy on a late evening or Saturday when you are trying to get something done and something happens you do not understand (and that will happen)

All of the machines you listed Cut well and the same. it is a matter of strategy beyond the HP or servos to produce good results. You will be doing a lot of study on bits feeds, rpms and materials, for this it will be good to have a lot of friends who understand your machine. when I started the cnc path in 07 I was basically illiterate to the (As I called it) the Voodoo language of CNC, yet the CNC made the difference to survive the recession and thrive for years since. it propelled us into work we normally would never have achieved.

Feel free to call and come see the machine, we have all that was mentioned (Big DC, Vacuum, Scissor lift for panels) it is always a good idea to go see shops with machines, go see the plant where they are built. Camasters Tables are built Machined in The same town as Assembly it is a truly US built machine. feel free to join the forum and ask questions it has been a great resource for thousands I am really proud of it Joey Jarrard (us routertools) Josh Glenn (CNC genius) and I are the founders of camheads forum. we have kept the forum autonomus of the company using machine owners as moderators to keep all needed info out of the hands of salesmen, there is a lot there I hope you will take advantage of this resource. Feel free to check out my website (mcgrewwoodwork.com) or facebook (Mcgrew Woodwork) and peer thru the photos of the shop, work and cnc.

My machine is a 5 x 9 (I recommend a 5 foot width), there is nothing you cannot do with it as long as both ends and one side are open Mine has 15 tools (not needed but in my big 3d days was real handy) 7.5 hp spindle. I removed my beauty panels from the sides as cleaning is a bit#h under with them on we cut 40+ panels daily and a large amount of custom radius and 2.5 d parts

Good luck with your purchase, we have a policy to always mean well and warrant success for those who take these steps. it has been great for me and I pray that for you as well

https://camheads.org

3/15/22       #6: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
Stephen Williams

Website: http://partscuttercnc.com

FMT Patriot hands down.
I had one for 8 eight years, just a fantastic machine with an Fagor Controller.
If I didnt need the space I would have kept it. It served me very well and I was actually a little teary to see it go. FMT has lifetime support.


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3/16/22       #7: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
Bill Member

What is low volume. How many sheets a day or week do you predict?

3/17/22       #8: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
RichC

Have you included software in that budget? Tooling? Dust collection?

3/17/22       #9: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
Acctek  Member

Website: https://www.acctekgroup.com/index.html

The budget includes consumables and some accessories or shipping

3/19/22       #10: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
Larry Steinmetz  Member

Hello,

I am hardly an expert on CNCs after having received my first machine just two weeks ago so cannot offer up any performance advice in comparing one to another. I went with a ShopSabre IS510, 10 HP spindle, ATC, 3 PH 15 HP Becker Pump (ran through a Phase Perfect), etc. The only comments I will make is that the fit and finish of the machine are outstanding, the machine base is very substantial, and I could not have asked for better customer support throughout the process including when there was some shipping damage.

One of these days I hope to post back on this site that I have actually made something with it! ;)

3/20/22       #11: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
Quicktrim

Just to throw this in the mix.

I bought used and got an Anderson Stratos SUP 5x10 for under 30k .

It's a 12500 lb machine with drill bank , atc 8 tool ride along .

I bought a liquid ring Dekker vac pump used for 2500.00

If you know what you are looking for and buy a reputable company there will be support, aka homage, biessie, cr onstud etc

You will then have a heavy iron machine with more capacity than you need and can grow into .

I was all in under 35k and have been cutting flawless parts for three years now.

3/26/22       #12: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
Derrek

Website: http://closetDr.com

If your drilling for closets you absolutely need a drill bank. I sold An Anderson with 5 drills in the X and upgraded to the biggest I could get on same model I think we are 10 or 11 in x now. Noticeable difference in speed.
I believe the most important item a CNC can have is ability to push of material vs unloading by hand from Spoilboard. This will pay for itself in first few months of operation

5/5/22       #13: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
Rob Young  Member

Website: http://www.nutekmachinery.com

If you are absolutely positive you won't ever want to increase your production output than you should be able to find a machine within your budget. It has been my personal experience that isn't always the case. I bought a boat that I was certain I would own for decades only to replace it within 2 years. Our showroom at Nutek Machinery is 6200 square feet, I would love to be at 8500 square feet now. Experience has and continues to prove to me that being adaptable is necessity.
On the machines you have mentioned I would look at a couple of things.
1. Are the rack and pinions helical or straight? You will have better accuracy and life with helical rack and pinions.
2. Are components used on the machines readily available in the U.S.? Don't lock yourself into a machine with a lot of proprietary parts only available from the manufacturer or components that are outdated and no longer available from the OEM. Companies that produce price point machines will often snatch up old inventory no longer produced by the OEM because they get it at a cheaper price. This can lead to headaches if there isn't a direct replacement available.
3. Make certain you have a drill block on your machine. Sure, you can plunge and drill with a main spindle, but this isn't what main spindles are designed to do and you will shorten the spindle life.
4. Compare the machine controllers. If one of the brands you are looking at has a much better controller than the other brands it will be the better pick provided the machine is sound mechanically.

https://nutekmachinery.com/machining-centers.html

8/2/22       #15: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
Rich Member

Thank you Everyone , I since then purchased a new Biesse Rover K 5x10 . Installation is happening next week. So much to learn.

5/23/23       #17: NEW CNC Recommendation for Mostly C ...
NICK HOLMAN

Website: http://holmanscabinets.com

Im interested to know how its gone since you purchased your router?


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