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black stained maple cabinets

1/18/15       
Bobby Lyons Member

Website: Suncrest cabinets tn . com

I'm having some issues on my current project with being able to see the woodgrain on black stained maple cabinets
I sealed the wood before spraying the stain
I'm using lacquer based finishes
any suggestions are welcome

1/19/15       #2: black stained maple cabinets ...
Charles Member

You might try using a dye instead of a stain. We use Transtint black dye on maple. We can see the grain.

1/19/15       #3: black stained maple cabinets ...
JM

Sounds like you are trying to hide the grain completely??

You could use a black primer followed by a clear topcoat. ML Campbell Clawlock is available in black.

1/19/15       #4: black stained maple cabinets ...
Paul Snyder  Member

Website: http://www.d-and-p.com

Bobby - what is the problem you are experiencing and what steps have you taken that produce the problem?

1/19/15       #5: black stained maple cabinets ...
Leo G

Isn't the reason you stain something is to see the grain?

1/21/15       #6: black stained maple cabinets ...
DCS

Bobby,
The problem is most likely that you sealed the maple, prior to staining....By doing so, you are staining the sealer and not the wood... I agree with prior post, using dye to stain Maple will most likely give you the look you desire...,
Good Luck,
DCS

1/22/15       #7: black stained maple cabinets ...
Bobby Lyons Member

Website: Suncrest cabinets tn . com

Ok how do you stain maple without sealing first? When I have in the past I have had blotching problems
I like the dye approach I'm going to experiment with it

1/22/15       #8: black stained maple cabinets ...
JM

Instead of sealing there are a few options.

1) Use a spray only stain

2) Use clear stain base, let dry, then proceed with the wiping stain as normal

3) Spray a washcoat, then wiping stain

4) Spray an NGR, followed by a washcoat, followed by wiping stain

5) Convert wiping stain to a spray stain by cutting about 4 to 1 with naphtha. Note that this cant be done with all wiping stain brands.

Each of the above techniques will eliminate or minimize the blotch, but they will all end up with different looks.

1/22/15       #9: black stained maple cabinets ...
Charles Member

We use method #1 of JM's suggestions: spray only stain. We are careful not to saturate the surface. That can lead to blotching. If necessary, we apply multiple coats to build up the color.

1/22/15       #10: black stained maple cabinets ...
Mike

We would use black stain by mohawk, then seal, then 30% dye to 60% thinner to 10% lacquer top coat, spray a few light passes, then take an aresol can of lacquer to spray a small section to see where you're at, then continue with straight top coat when you achieve the look you desire. Too much transparent dye will leave it looking muddy and hiding the grain

1/23/15       #11: black stained maple cabinets ...
Rick Mosher  Member

Website: profinisher.blogspot.com/

In my experience if you get it truly black you don't see the grain anyway.

 

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