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fine finish + exterior


fine finish + exterior, -here's another:
"high jump + low ceiling"

I primarily use SW Kemvar Plus and F3 Kemvar lines for most of what I finish
(for example: ngr dye stain, wash coat, BAC wiping stain, sealer, glaze, sealer, toner, top coat, is a typical schedule...

I just took on a very high end Entry Door project, and Im having a devil of a time finding a finish system in which to use...

my 1st thoughts were 2k (aliphatic) polyurethane , yet everyone Im finding are clearly marketed as "interior"

My multi-step CV finishes are quite distinctive, and are part of ou appeal, but of course these are for interior applications only.

can anyone recommend any suggestions which we might look into?

SW rep is stuck at "a couple coats of Sikkens or a Spar Varnish"
and while a really nice & durable finish can definitely be obtained with single products like those, Id much prefer the versatility of our CV systems...

9/4/16       #2: fine finish + exterior ...

Look into Sirca (or any of the Italian companies), they seem to have the best exterior clears. I have mainly used the Sirca products with good results. I have generally put them over spray or wiping stains with a spray glaze if needed, have not made toners with them.

9/5/16       #3: fine finish + exterior ...

d-dur from chemcraft is available through Wurth louis &Co. Euro X from M L Campbell. Both are 2k pu and rated for exterior. spendy...$200.00 (+/-) per gallon (poly, hardener, reducer).
If your door is out of the weather a bit: Rudd Prothane would work (1k poly, $40-$60 per gal.)). or you could go WB...many options there (Target 9300 comes to mind)
You should be able to do your multi-step finish with any of these products.
Nothing lasts outside so to protect your work for the long term, consider selling your customer a maintenance contract.

9/5/16       #4: fine finish + exterior ...
Leo G

I used the Target EM 9300 and it worked well. Has to go on at 2-3 mil so expect to put a few coats on. It doesn't have a dry film mil thickness so you can put on plenty of coats. It can be sprayed or brushed, so periodic maintenance can be done onsite with a brush.

The door I did was 7 years ago. It's in a protective area but is exposed to the weather. Can't tell you how this might react if it's a full sun door.

9/5/16       #5: fine finish + exterior ...

If you have a distributor for ICA in your vicinity I think it would do the job for you. You need to add their UV inhibitor to the finish but it is very durable. I have been using their OAC363 product and it can be used with their toners and glaze products.

The cost can add up with all the components required.


9/6/16       #6: fine finish + exterior ...

Keep in mind the need to 'refinish' the door down the road. If you are glazing and toning the door I doubt they are going to be UV resistant. If you can get ICA coatings in your area, let them make you one of their stains. Otherwise, use 2K Poly. Good for 5 years if not in direct sunlight.

9/6/16       #7: fine finish + exterior ...

use sherwin williams F63FH2. it is exterior polyurethane. Its right in line with the products your familiar with and is super durable.

9/7/16       #8: fine finish + exterior ...
Bill Richardson  Member


I've used Klima from Ilva with good results.

9/8/16       #9: fine finish + exterior ...

2k way to go still wont last in direct sun, Gerry what is oac363 from ICA ? I use lp157
for exterior , is this something new?

9/8/16       #10: fine finish + exterior ...
Robert Member

Has anyone tried an Automotive clear for an application like Jay's ?

9/8/16       #11: fine finish + exterior ...

Hi Dar,

I first used OAC 363 when it was recommended by the ICA rep for a fiberglass door. I have attached the spec sheet. It is available in higher gloss, the one I have been using is 20 degree.

Click the link below to download the file included with this post.


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