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Ventless Booth

6/27/18       
Tom O Member

Website: http://stgermainscabinet.com

Greetings,

Is anyone using or considering a Ventless™ booth? I would like to hear about your experience, thanks.

http://www.ventless.ca

6/27/18       #2: Ventless Booth ...
Robb Parker  Member

Website: http://www.HeritageWoodwright.com

We wanted to and still do want to upgrade our booth. Tried to get specs and pricing from them and just never could get a response. Interested to see what you find out.

6/30/18       #3: Ventless Booth ...
chris

I have done a lot of research on it, and have spoke to this company as well as others. It's a very expensive option. A company who sells/installs this manufactures product did come to my shop and quote one out. It was 20k for a 8x10 exhaust wall

6/30/18       #4: Ventless Booth ...
Robb Parker  Member

Website: http://www.HeritageWoodwright.com

Ouch.

7/2/18       #5: Ventless Booth ...
Bill  Member

Website: canadianacabinets.com

I was was an early adopter, a believer, but still a sucker. Spent upwards of 20,000 for a bomb. Nothing arrived on time, ordered in early August for October delivery arrived mid November. We were supplying labor to set up but they arrived at end of shift each time rather than 9am as promised. Parts missing, wrong parts, wrong power requirement for controller, and on and on! We had a room built for it that Jean was in and measured etc. We did not get running til early in the new year and needed to set up a conventional booth as well to be able to produce. Fumes where overwhelming. tested safe but smells where so strong that my guys would not work in it. Many promises later and no joy. Finally the cost of disposal of the carbon was huge, and in Ontario at least you need a hazardous good license to dispose of this. Replacement carbon was over $2000. per time, and it seems that the carbon filters once they collect enough particles are a bomb awaiting a fuse. The fabrication was poor and the sheet metal was really thin. After 2 years of struggle we converted it to a conventional booth.
If you can get natural gas spend 10,000 on air make up. Happy to speak to anyone who is considering this. The concept has been around for years for table top booths and Jean has an idea but we became sick of being the Guinea pig. We where never actually able speak to anyone who had one running with great results. I should have known it was too good to be true. Cheers

Click the link below to download the file included with this post.

WABARKER_VENTLESS.pdf

7/3/18       #6: Ventless Booth ...
cletus joness

very apprehensive about this , no device that i am aware of can detect when the carbon filters are failing other than your nose and then they should have been changed earlier, nice concept maybe for paint a face frame

i wonder if this is a fad like those plastic blow up spray booths, but imho if it would be a big market for these there would be somebody of consequence doing this in the states, i out of curiosity will check these out at the iwf,

good luck herb j.

7/4/18       #7: Ventless Booth ...
DannyB

These things are basically huge gas phase filters (with some amount of prefiltering).

I had a small 4ft x 4ft ventless booth with gas phase filters. I eventually just converted it to exhaust.

1. If they are carbon based (and most are),
the carbon is going to be pretty expensive over time, unless you have a really good bulk supplier.

2. They are adsorption, not absorption. That means the filter doesn't destroy the VOC, they bond to it. So the carbon in the filters are now the same type of waste you would find in a solvent recycler.

They also tend to smell over time, because again, it's not destroyed, just sitting there.

3. It is possible to detect when they are failing - use VOC sensors or particle sensors.

In the end, either they are sticking to the filters and not in the air, or they the filter is full and they are still in the air.

My dylos meter could tell very accurately whether the ventless booth filter was working.

Personally, i would not go this route. It is a mishmash of technology that doesn't actually work well together for this purpose right now.

Plus, if i was going to try to capture solvents and VOC (instead of exhaust them), i would find a way to capture some amount into a solvent recycler.

7/9/18       #8: Ventless Booth ...
Tom O Member

Thanks for the comments, I was kind of thinking that it sounded too good to be true. I also did not get much of a reply when I contacted the company.

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