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Chemical strippers

4/9/19       
mastercabman

How effective are chemical strippers on conversion varnish?
How about glazing?
I may have a refinish job that I would like to use CV but the doors and drawer faces are mitered rail and stile with a small rop molding and it is glazed
The client may want new doors but I do need to give him a quote on refinishing existing doors and drawers

4/9/19       #2: Chemical strippers ...
Bob Niemeyer  Member

Website: niemeyerrestoration.com

Commercial grade removers will take it off with no problem. The problem is that many Kitchen cabinet doors do not survive stripping very well. They tend to fall apart if they are cheaper doors.
We have found once you buy the remover, labor to strip them, resand wood to prep for finishing you are not to far away from buying new doors that just need a quick sand and are ready to finish. Wood species and shop hourly rate does play a big deciding role in this.

4/10/19       #3: Chemical strippers ...
rich c.

Don't forget the cost of a high end air supplied respirator if you are going to use methylene chloride industrial stripper in that bid. It's incredibly unhealthy stuff! Cheaper to buy new doors compared to the labor it will take to clean out that rope molding.

4/11/19       #4: Chemical strippers ...
Arthur grudko

Methylene chloride strippers are no longer available, unless you can find some old inventory. NMP based removers are, for all practical purposes, unavailable.

There are some removers (available at most Lowes stores) that are based on an NMP substitute) that take a lot longer to work, but are effective. There's Smart Strip and Smart Strip Pro that are di-basic acid based that work well but take many hours. These are applied in a thick coat and paper is wrapped on them.

Don't know if ether are effective on conversion varnish. Both rinse off with water. Rope molding shouldn't be too much of a problem if they're at all effective.

4/11/19       #5: Chemical strippers ...
dean c

My understanding is that while MC removers will/are banned from retail sales, you can still get them professionally from suppliers

4/11/19       #6: Chemical strippers ...
Arthur grudko

I stand corrected. You're right. Banned from consumer, allowed for commercial use.

4/11/19       #7: Chemical strippers ...
rescraft

Outsource and add $ for handling, transport etc. When customers find out how much time, trouble & expense it is to strip, it opens their eyes.

4/11/19       #8: Chemical strippers ...
mastercabman

Thanks for the replies
I got a ball park figure to have them stripped
For the price I can get new doors/drawers
I rather work with new wood when using CV anyway

5/16/19       #9: Chemical strippers ...
dan shaf Member

I live in the very blue and silly state of CT. Dad's is still available, no problem. It's methylene chloride and no lye. No lye means it won't darken the wood.

There is a myth as to just how dangerous methylene chloride is for you. No chemicals are good, but the science just is NOT there regarding the dangers of methylene chloride. The history of this chemical being over-regulated is that the giant furniture industry lobied for it to be over-regulated, impinging on many restoration shops to carry on with cost effective refinishing projects vs a potential customer deciding instead to buy new furniture. That's the history. Furniture industry lobbyists and the wined & dined Congress.

The toluene in Dads is worse for you than the methylene chloride.

5/16/19       #10: Chemical strippers ...
dan shaf Member

1. Brush on the mc stripper.
2. Wait.
3. Scrape off without gouging the wood.
4. Grab handfuls of wood carvings that come off the plane (wear thick rubber gloves) and use these shavings instead of rags.
5. The wood shavings are especially effective for getting the sludge out of the carvings and shapes of profiled surfaces and moldings.
6. Water rinse with a pressure washer set on low pressure so that you don't etch the wood. The water has to bounce off the wood, not soak into it. It will take the stripper with it.
7. Wipe down with half denatured alcohol/half water.
8. Wipe down with lacquer thinner.
9. Lightly sand and build your new finish schedule.

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