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another wiping stain spraying thread

5/17/20       
pascal stgelais

Hello

Right now my routine is :
- sprayed dye stain
- brush/rag applied wipping stain

Now since i mainly use black I often go back over the wiping stain with mineral spirits to lighten the stain since it tend to be opaque on some area (and very light on other). this allow me to even out the wiping stain. I dont mind a little blotching since it kinda give some character to my solid wood furniture but sometime too much look bad especially with black

I am now considering spraying the wiping stain just like the dye in an attempt to even out the coloring even more. Can I build the color just like with dye and keep the wiping to a minimum or should I flood the surface.

last some have said that wiping/pigment stains are very abrasive thus damagin to aaa tips/gun/pump

5/18/20       #2: another wiping stain spraying threa ...
Dennis

For a more even color use a thin wash coat over the dye stain, maybe try some vinyl sealer thinned down 50/50, then spray the pigmented stain and wipe off.
You don't need an expensive spray gun to do the stain, I use an inexpensive top cup gun from Lowes - your going to wipe it off anyway.
The amount of thinning you do to the wash coat and sanding before the pigment stain will determine the final color.

5/18/20       #3: another wiping stain spraying threa ...
pascal stgelais

thanks for your answer.

I was refering more to the technique described in an older threead : https://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Spraying_Wiping_Stains.html

is this a commom way of applying wiping stain or will I better result just flooding the surface.

contributor J use wiping stain but sprays them like a dye stain building the color instead of flooding and wiping

5/18/20       #5: another wiping stain spraying threa ...
Dennis

I've never used wiping stain that way as described in the thread you referenced, so can't really comment on it.
I would however be careful about too much build with the wiping stain and potential adhesion issues.
I prefer to build the depth of color with dye stain and possibly using a tinted sealer coat on top of that and a clear top coat.
I do now understand why you are using a better quality spray gun for the stain that will not be wiped off, you could never get an even pattern with any of the stain guns I typically use.

5/18/20       #6: another wiping stain spraying threa ...
Pascal

Thanks for your responses dennis.

I Usually thin my dye 5:1 to build the color. No problem here.

Tried the same thing with a wiping stain. Worst idea ever. Gun was spitting, spraying too dark at time to light at and other time. impossible to build the color consistently

Well it worked to lays it down and wipe it. It's much more simple to just brush it on, wipe it and use thinner to lighten it up where needed.

5/18/20       #7: another wiping stain spraying threa ...
Leo G Member

Normally I spray my stain. Not very often that I put a dye under it but when I do it's to get a darker color.

Generally when I can I spray lightly and move across the piece and wiping as I go keeping a wet edge. If I have a lot of dye that imparts color I get the wood wetter with the stain.

5/19/20       #8: another wiping stain spraying threa ...
Daniel Berlin Member

Almost all of these companies (including the one contributor j is first talking about, ml campbell) make a spray-only versions for their wiping stains.

https://www.mlcampbell.com/product/woodsong-2-5-spray-only-stain-base/

It can be tinted the same way as the spray and wipe. The contributor you linked to is correct that it is mostly a lower solids version of the normal spray + wipe. But the spray-only versions mostly use acetone rather than "Light Aliphatic Hydrocarbon" :)

Honestly, given most manufacturers have similar versions of spray-only, i'm not sure i'd bother buying spray and wipe and then carefully thinning it, when you can just buy the same stuff made spray-only and have someone do the work for you.

5/22/20       #9: another wiping stain spraying threa ...
Daniel Shafner Member

Yes, spray your wiping stain, floid the surface or not. But you MUST wipe it into the wood and not leave any excess. If your stain has excess it can cause adhesion problems.

You can make a toner with your stain by adding it to lacquer thinner and then adding that colored lacquer thinner to your lacquer topcoat. Better than that technique is to add solvent/alcohol dye stain to your lacquer or to your vinyl sealer.

But no, you cannot use your wiping stain as a spray stain. You CAN spray your wiping stain and your fan pattern won't matter because you must wipe it after. Wiping stain can be applied by rag, brush, or spray gun, but it must be wiped off, the pigments settling into the sandscratches and woid pores. Laying down a dry coat is harder to manipulate than flooding the surface. Either way, you still need wiping cloths to rag off the excess.

6/18/20       #10: another wiping stain spraying threa ...
Shane

Yes you can absolutely use your pigmented wiping stains as a spray stain. We do it all the time in a high production environment. Take the same stain you would normally wipe and add 4 oz. of the stain to a cup gun. fill the rest of the cup with VM&P Naptha and you just created a spray no wipe.... If you learn how to use it correctly with a wet edge it will pop the grain correctly without flooding and being all weird looking.We use d59 sherwin colorants this way constantly... so much faster than wiping. On big jobs that require a lot of color we actually shoot the stain out of 15 gal. pressure pots w/agitators with hvlp guns... It is more common than you think...

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