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Pump selection

6/7/21       
mastercabman

I have been thinking of adding a pump to my business
I do a lot of refinishing
I mostly use CV like MLC Turino along with white vinyl primer
I have a CAT 14/1 peak pump
I like it and I've been looking in getting another on a cart
But I know a lot of people favors the Kremlin
I have been looking at their website but I'm a little confused on which model I should look at
Can any of you point out what Kremlin pump is equivalent to the CAT pump that I have?
What gun?
Thanks

6/8/21       #2: Pump selection ...
masterblaster

the kremlin 10:1 pump is a toy. their excite gun is very nice. you can mount a wall mount pump to a hand truck and it will work great for jobsite work. I would buy another cat cart system and call it a day.

6/8/21       #3: Pump selection ...
chris

been using kremlin 10-14 for past 20 years. great pumps. very simple to rebuild.yes it is only a 10:1 pump but handles 2k urethane with ease.
their new pumps are 18:1 or higher.
That being said I would get another of the same pump you already have so you don't need extra parts or learning issues

6/8/21       #4: Pump selection ...
SteveL Member

I'm in a similar boat have an old Kremlin 10-14.
Master blaster, are you saying that the new Kremlin 10-1 pumps are not as good as the old or not worth the $? I have been thinking of replacing to the newer one, but if its no better than CAT I would maybe just save the money.

6/8/21       #5: Pump selection ...
Josh Koschak

I am in the market for a pump as well. My MLCampbell rep has switched his tune from recommending the CAT 14:1 to a Wagner 28:1. He claims that after a few years the Wagner will still be a work horse and the CAT will need to have been rebuilt numerous times, although he still believes both to be great units. Either way, I am switching over from gravity feed guns and I am sure this will be a game changer for us regardless of what we bring in.

6/8/21       #6: Pump selection ...
masterblaster

my wagner pump is over 20 years and never rebuilt. works and works. kremlin cheaps out with their smaller pumps and it shows in the spray. they should put a filter unit to stop the pulse in the older 10:1 and the new 15:1. for the money, cat is the best buy. want to buy a pump that will last forever?....bigger kremlins or the wagner spray tech pumps are just great pumps. remember you can put any gun on any pump.

6/8/21       #7: Pump selection ...
mastercabman

Thanks everyone
Like some of you suggested
I should stick with the CAT
I like it,it's affordable and it does a good job!
I don't spray as much as some of you
But it's getting more busy and more request
I'm going to get one mounted on a cart and use the one I have now in my trailer
Thanks again for your opinions

6/9/21       #8: Pump selection ...
Scott

Like Masterblaster mentioned, I bought a used Cat pump for cheap and mounted it on a hand truck, it works fantastic. It may not look as good as some of the fancy carts they make nowadays, but it was cheap.

6/26/21       #9: Pump selection ...
Daniel Shafner Member

I'm using a Graco Merkur ES 30:1 pump, 1'8" ID fluid hose. There's 2 CAT 14:1 pumps next to me. Both the CAT pumps need O-ring rebuil;ds for the pistons. The Graco is used very day. The CAT's were used infrequently.

The AAA guns, you can switch out one for the other, Kremlin to CAT to Wagner to Graco.

If you're going to get a CAT, don't get the Cougar gun. The Bobcat gun sprays the same and uses the same parts but it's a much smaller gun with way better ergonomics than the Cougar.

All the guns will yeild great results depending on who is praying. That said, there's a consensus that the Kremlin xCite gun and the Wagner 4700 guns pro\vide the best quality atomized fan. The Wagner boasts using less air to the spray cap and I would think that less air out of the cap translates to LESS clogging of the tip.

My typical settings from the Merkur ES 30:1 are 35 - 40 psi fluid and 23 psi at the air.

I shoot mostly ML Campbell Turino pigmented conversion varnish, sometimes Resistant.

6/26/21       #10: Pump selection ...
masterblaster

i found the Graco Merkur ESpump to have such a small fluid section the that darn thing pump almost continually which drives me crazy. even the small kremlin cycles less.

6/27/21       #11: Pump selection ...
mastercabman

"If you're going to get a CAT, don't get the Cougar gun. The Bobcat gun sprays the same and uses the same parts but it's a much smaller gun with way better ergonomics than the Cougar."

That's so confusing to me
When I talked with sales rep they keep telling me that the cougar is a better choice for me
Especially if you have medium to big hands
The bobcat is smaller and does not feel good in larger size hands
I guess I'm going to have to find one and hold it to see how comfortable it is
I currently have the cougar and it does feel pretty good

Are both guns compatible with parts?

10/26/21       #12: Pump selection ...
Daniel Shafner Member

CAT AAA guns have interchangeable parts. The difference between the 2 guns is that the larger gun can handle higher pressures, whereas the smaller Bobcat ergonomic fella cannot.

Yes, hold both guns. I don't like the bulkiness or the weight of the Cougar gun. Both guns spray the same.

I wouldn't be put off by the frequent cycling of the Graco pump. The amount of paint that goes to waste varies with the size of the pickup tube and the inside diameter of the fluid hose. I use a 1/8" ID fluid hose. It's much better than wrestling with an eel, the way that some fluid hoses fight you.

Get rid of the plastic bag hose wrap. For $14 you can buy expandable cable wrap made of HDPE. My hoses don't twist inside of the wrap.

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