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Fine Paints of Europe dust control

5/7/23       
Chris Audley Member

Website: http://www.paintingbydesigninc.com

I am currently struggling with a Fine Paints of Europe Brilliant 98 paint job on part of a new kitchen.

The color is very dark and the lighting is brutal. We have made several attempts to get this pantry section coated without super fine dust/fiber contamination in the wet coat.

The paint feels pretty clean to the hand, but to the eye, there are a million 'little stars'.

Since we have eliminated the possibility of contamination from our surface protection, I am pretty certain that the source is general household dust.

The work area is sealed as tightly as possible with a zip wall set up. We have tried to do this with extraction and filtered make-up air, and also by running air cleaners for many hours inside the containment prior to painting.

None of these things seems to make much difference, and the space is small and has a lot of inside corners where dusty air could lurk even with the best attempt to extract.

The cabinet maker specifies a brush application, but we have tried it with spray too. Nothing much seems to change the final outcome, and we are in Tyvek suits, with new brushes, buckets and paint. After all the regular vac/tack protocols, we are then using automotive anti static wipes just prior to application. All to no effect.

Does anyone have what they feel are unequivocal guidelines for completing cleaning the air in a small space like this?

I think it is pretty much impossible in a residential setting, but always ready to learn new ways.

5/8/23       #2: Fine Paints of Europe dust control ...
gary

Are the parts laying horizontal as they dry? If so can you hang them vertical so dust doesn't settle on them?

5/8/23       #3: Fine Paints of Europe dust control ...
RichC

Sounds like you are dealing with overspray. Can't give spraying advice since you didn't tell us what equipment you are using. Lots of youtube videos on the product including this one on solvent pops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4a6dhWnZLI

5/8/23       #4: Fine Paints of Europe dust control ...
Chris Audley Member

This is brush application and all parts are in the vertical position.

5/9/23       #5: Fine Paints of Europe dust control ...
Mastercabman

Isn't it an oil based product?
Oil based paint has a tendency to take a long time to dry and attract dust
I would look at other options for painting cabinets

5/9/23       #6: Fine Paints of Europe dust control ...
Nick Sinderson

Dust is the enemy...sometimes it wins. Rubbing out and buffing or spraying on a faster drying clear coat might be options as you've already tried everything (and then some) l can think of.

5/9/23       #7: Fine Paints of Europe dust control ...
Chris Audley Member

I would gladly switch products if the company that builds the cabinets would let me.

The paint is tacky for 6 - 8 hours and as you can imagine, that gives it plenty of time to grab airborne dust.

I think that a microchip clean room might just provide a good environment, but hard to construct in a finished home.

5/9/23       #8: Fine Paints of Europe dust control ...
Bart

This is from Hollandlac's site: "One of the few disadvantages of working with great brilliant enamels like Hollandlac and ECO is that pigments in both of these coatings are extremely finely ground, very much like automobile paints and therefore these paints tend to reveal airborne contamination (the type of dust particles that float in the air of even the cleanest homes)

Yikes!
I'm not a brush guy, but I would let the finish flash off/tighten up for few days or so considering it's an oil based product before pulling my hair out. I would think it would get better over time. Best of luck.
my2cts

5/9/23       #9: Fine Paints of Europe dust control ...
Bart

Another gem from their site. They obviously know the product is a b$%^h to apply.

"When painting furniture or cabinet components we recommend that the work be done in a garage or basement with a “wet floor”. The floor should be wet down with mop and bucket at least 24 hours prior to application of paint and kept wet throughout the process in order to serve as a magnet to airborne dust. Where it is not possible to move work to areas suitable for wet floor treatment, many of our best professional contractors utilize inexpensive “kiddie pools” in which they place a half inch of water at least a day or two before beginning paint application."

Good luck

5/10/23       #10: Fine Paints of Europe dust control ...
Mastercabman

Bart
Holy s#@/!!!!!
Why would anyone uses this stuff!!!??

This is why many painters are walking away from oil based paint!

5/10/23       #11: Fine Paints of Europe dust control ...
JeffA

My only suggestion would be if you can, put a clear coat of oil based varnish over it. That MAY not show up the dust as much as when dirt breaks the plane of a dark enamel and shows up more. But I could be just blowing smoke.......

And just maybe Find Paints of Europe should stay put....in Europe.

5/10/23       #12: Fine Paints of Europe dust control ...
Chris Audley Member

Gentlemen,

Thanks to all for your colorful input.

I am not sure whether a clear coat would solve my problem, but it might create its own - the clear would most likely dry more quickly than the pigmented underlayer, and could possibly exhibit cracking.

The whole thing with kiddie pool makes me laugh too.

There is barely enough space in this pantry to place a ladder, let alone a pool of water. This is a client occupied space and leaving it unattended for a couple of days would have been a push.

As it was, we ran two air cleaners running in a very small space for 40 hours, leaving the work area unvisited for a whole 'furlough' day.

When the surface stays wet for six plus hours, you need an amazing amount of air quality control.

And I just don't think it is possible to get this surface blemish free.

5/10/23       #13: Fine Paints of Europe dust control ...
Bart

In the end I hope you didn't take a "bath" on the project.....
cheers
Bart


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