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Cabinet install before flooring

12/15/18       
Willem Martins  Member

Website: thelastwoodworker.com

I notice a lot of information here about the pros and cons, but would appreciate advice on how you do it?

The GC wants cabinets in first before flooring. Cabinets are built, ready to go in, toe kick is part of cabinet construction.

Flooring is Engineered 3/8"

How do you lift or shim the cabinets, hardwood strips with added shims to level out?

3/8", same thickness as the engineered floor, shim directly onto the the LP sub floor?

12/15/18       #2: Cabinet install before flooring ...
Paul Miller

Website: http://MCCWOODWORKING.COM

We are getting these requests from builders as well. There are some flooring companies that are saying the floor needs to move and they do not want the cabinets set on the flooring. We were able to get some strips of flooring and placed the cabinets on these. Some rooms, like baths and laundry, we didn't worry about it. Its really only where you have a dishwasher or an appliance that needs to slide under a top that it is a concern. The bigger concern is the damage the flooring installation will cause.

12/16/18       #3: Cabinet install before flooring ...
james e mcgrew Member

Website: mcgrewwoodwork.com

We build separate toe kicks (ladderback) if we know in advance we compensate in the height, If not we add .375" strips to the bottom to compensate

In commercial we see this far less than in residential But it happens. in some cases we can place the ladder backs let the flooring proceed and install later

if you build with integral toe kicks as part of the case then add .375 to base.

one other option is to draw the measurement on the floor, if a toe kick is 21" deep then mark them at 20" deep from the wall and insure you show where the dishwasher or any other floor appliance fits (watch the fridge !)

We always photograph when we do this, If the floor guy gets it wrong you may find you ain't friends after all....

12/18/18       #4: Cabinet install before flooring ...
Adam

We use 1/2" ply. The flooring is 3/8" + the foam underlayment.

You can argue back and forth all day long. At the end of the day the floating floor is supposed to float unrestricted. Technically the warranty of the floor could be voided if you sit a cabinet on top.

The pain is always the dishwasher. Non standard sizes, heavy, do you shim the whole thing up?

I've seen some builders screw a piece of 1/2" ply to the sub floor in the dishwasher location. They run the floating floor just under the front edge. Gap between the ply and floating floor.

12/19/18       #5: Cabinet install before flooring ...
Steven

I wonder if these flooring companies also instruct the homeowners that they are not to set furniture on this flooring as well? Heavy dining room table, entertainment cabinet with TV, China cabinet, sofa, fully loaded bookcases? No, warranty voided, floor can't move with all that weight on it. Some of those things can weigh as much as or more than a cabinet with granite counter.

7/12/19       #6: Cabinet install before flooring ...
Any Assembly  Member

Website: https://www.anyassembly.com/

You are absolutely right cabinets should be fixed or install before flooring because it may be damaged by cabinets installers. when he works on it.

 

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