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Veneering over large end grain conditions?

5/13/24       
Todd Kottke Member

I have been asked to repair two new end tables. The tables are glued-up solid oak and turned. The top surface has an 18" diameter with the base of 14". The bottom was not sealed by the manufacturer. There are cracks that have formed from the base moving upwards. The top had a sheet of oak veneer applied over the end grain of the turning. The sides and the top were sealed with a conversion varnish. The top veneer has raised and bubbled in areas about 3"x2".

I want to:
1. Remove the buckling veneer.
2. Sand the top flat and apply a wood backed oak veneer with a glue like titebond.
3. Fill the cracks with epoxy.
4. Seal the bottom with finish.
5. Re-finish the entire piece.

Will this "fix" result in the same buckling due to the large end grain condition? What would you recommend as an alternative?
3.

5/13/24       #2: Veneering over large end grain cond ...
Dave Edgerton  Member

I think we would need a picture to see what you're talking about

5/13/24       #3: Veneering over large end grain cond ...
Todd Kottke Member

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5/14/24       #4: Veneering over large end grain cond ...
tom gardiner

I think there is a high risk of failure again gluing to a large end grain surface area. I think you are right to use a cross banded veneer for the top. I would use a router and a frame to flatten the top as opposed to sanding to get a truly flat surface. Instead of PVA I would use epoxy for gluing the veneer. Oak end grain is a poor surface to glue.

5/16/24       #5: Veneering over large end grain cond ...
Gary B.

I don't see how this isn't going to move again in the future based on the construction method. I think the only choice is to strip it and see the end grain. If you feel the need to veneer it, I hate to say it, but I'd use a bubble free backed sheet veneer, instead of a real raw veneer and contact cement it on, so it would allow it to move some. But it will never be what it should be, IMHO.

5/16/24       #6: Veneering over large end grain cond ...
chris

why doesn't your customer take them back to where they bought them from.
obvious manufacturing defect.

5/19/24       #7: Veneering over large end grain cond ...
Kevin Jenness Member

It's not clear to me exactly how the tables are constructed, but veneering over one side of an endgrain tabletop is asking for trouble both in terms of adhesion and wood movement. I would run away as fast as possible from this project.

6/10/24       #8: Veneering over large end grain cond ...
David R Sochar Member

They look like bad copies of Eames side tables. The glue ups werere probably not done well, hence the veneer.
If my guess is right it is all vertical grain, with hygroscopic movement in all horizontal directions. This movement will prevent the bad patch of veneer.
Now you know why the real deal are so expensive.


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