Professional Finishing Forum

You are not logged in. [ Login ] Why log in
(NOTE: Login is not required to post)

down draft sanding tables

7/7/16       
nick

I'm in the market for a DD sanding table for sanding primer/sealer on cab parts and I'm looking for recommendations (store bought? brand? should I make one? ect...?). One man shop, average 200-300 cab parts finished per week. 110 would be ideal but I do have 220 single & 3 phase in the shop. Thank you.

7/7/16       #2: down draft sanding tables ...
kevin

have you checked out the mirka deros or similar sanders that are vacuumed? May be a better fit for your needs and the salesman will more than likely leave a unit with you to demo. We dont have any but we have demoed the mirka and i was very impressed! They do a fantastic job of capturing ALL dust.

7/7/16       #3: down draft sanding tables ...
Matt Krig Member

Mirka Deros/vacuum, a Surfprep set up AND a Sandman table (110v/220v) with lights. Make yourself a box to clean your filters that hooks to dust collection, or you'll negate the point of the downdraft table and abuse the blower motor.
If you really want a game changer and you are looking to grow significantly in the near future, (we are only a 6-10 man shop) get at least a 3 head 53" programmable sander with combi head equipped for sealer sanding. You're head will just about explode when you add up the time spent previously and when you see the finish improvements. Between pre-sanding all parts and sealer sanding, switching to paper belts and the extended abrasive life, this is one of the fastest paybacks we've had on a major macchine purchase, Not to mention the quantum leap in finish quality and overall speed gains over our old 37"- 2 head machine.
Also, the 5" mesh sanding discs when used with vacuum will last a ridiculous long time compared to the PSA discs to the point where they become dull rather than plugged.
If you haven't done so already, please take a sanding and or finishing seminar at IWF or AWFS. Sanding can make or break your profits and quality consistency.
Over-sanding is probably the bigger robbers of profit and quality in a custom shop that does a lot of finishing. Swirls, color inconsistency, cross scratch, uneven areas between dissimilar materials and polished burnished grain are the sins of woodworking and finishing.
So to answer your question, to start with, I'd buy any one of the commercially made downdraft table, it's not worth the time to make one in my opinion, as I'd rather be putting that time into growing my company. I'd continue to get a set of lights, the best sanders and vacuums money can buy. Oil your sanders daily and don't cheap out on sealers/primers, abrasives and topcoats and you'll move ahead much faster.

7/7/16       #4: down draft sanding tables ...
chris

have 2 tables from denray which i really like.

http://www.denray.com/

7/7/16       #5: down draft sanding tables ...
Nick

yes, l looked at the denray tables online as they came highly recommended by one of my customers. My local dealer (300+ miles away)has yet to get back to me with a price. but by the specs and reputation l'm guessing they're at the higher end price wise. l can get a pretty good deal on the small Baleigh table and l'm wondering how they compare...I've learned (reluctantly) that it pays to buy quality but sometimes (once in a blue moon) a bargain really is one.

7/7/16       #6: down draft sanding tables ...
herb johonson

comes down to airflow that each table has and wheter it has cheap blanket filters and final filters or whether it has cartridge or tube style filters, imho, denray makes a much beefer table,also rpm of exhaust motor

good luck
herb j

7/8/16       #7: down draft sanding tables ...
afinisher

Another vote for DenRay. Love my unit with adjustable height option. Cartridge filters provide greatest filtration of fine particles. A serious piece of equipment- well worth its price.

7/8/16       #8: down draft sanding tables ...
Nick

after seeing my customers table in action I'm sold on the DenRay machine although after getting the quote l'm still in the throws of sticker shock... My Belgian beer budget is going to take a hit.

7/10/16       #9: down draft sanding tables ...
Yusuke Heller

are the bought machines really that much better than a shop built DD table? I have been toying with the idea of building my own for some time now.

8/2/16       #10: down draft sanding tables ...
Nick

ended up not getting the denray as a customer had a almost new 1hp Delta for $400.00. It's 1/3 the machine of the denray but at 1/7 cost l couldn't pass it up. lt is working great for my application; sanding sealer and scuffing frame & panel cabinet doors and drawers (l use a festool for the larger pieces and the flats). there is noticibly less dust in the room where l sand and lots in the delta's filter.

  • Post a Response to this thread
  • notify me of responses to this topic
  • To receive email notification of additions to this forum thread,
    enter your name and email address, and then click the
    "Keep Me Posted" button below.

    Please Note: If you have posted a message or response,
    do not submit this request ... you are already signed up
    to receive notification!

    Your Name:
    E-Mail Address:
    Enter the correct numbers into the field below:
     

    Date of your Birth:



    Return to top of page

    Buy & Sell Exchanges | Forums | Galleries | Site Map

    FORUM GUIDELINES: Please review the guidelines below before posting at WOODWEB's Interactive Message Boards (return to top)

  • WOODWEB is a professional industrial woodworking site. Hobbyist and homeowner woodworking questions are inappropriate.
  • Messages should be kept reasonably short and on topic, relating to the focus of the forum. Responses should relate to the original question.
  • A valid email return address must be included with each message.
  • Advertising is inappropriate. The only exceptions are the Classified Ads Exchange, Machinery Exchange, Lumber Exchange, and Job Opportunities and Services Exchange. When posting listings in these areas, review the posting instructions carefully.
  • Subject lines may be edited for length and clarity.
  • "Cross posting" is not permitted. Choose the best forum for your question, and post your question at one forum only.
  • Messages requesting private responses will be removed - Forums are designed to provide information and assistance for all of our visitors. Private response requests are appropriate at WOODWEB's Exchanges and Job Opportunities and Services.
  • Messages that accuse businesses or individuals of alleged negative actions or behavior are inappropriate since WOODWEB is unable to verify or substantiate the claims.
  • Posts with the intent of soliciting answers to surveys are not appropriate. Contact WOODWEB for more information on initiating a survey.
  • Excessive forum participation by an individual upsets the balance of a healthy forum atmosphere. Individuals who excessively post responses containing marginal content will be considered repeat forum abusers.
  • Responses that initiate or support inappropriate and off-topic discussion of general politics detract from the professional woodworking focus of WOODWEB, and will be removed.
  • Participants are encouraged to use their real name when posting. Intentionally using another persons name is prohibited, and posts of this nature will be removed at WOODWEB's discretion.
  • Comments, questions, or criticisms regarding Forum policies should be directed to WOODWEB's Systems Administrator
    (return to top).

    Carefully review your message before clicking on the "Send Message" button - you will not be able to revise the message once it has been sent.

    You will be notified of responses to the message(s) you posted via email. Be sure to enter your email address correctly.

    WOODWEB's forums are a highly regarded resource for professional woodworkers. Messages and responses that are crafted in a professional and civil manner strengthen this resource. Messages that do not reflect a professional tone reduce the value of our forums.

    Messages are inappropriate when their content: is deemed libelous in nature or is based on rumor, fails to meet basic standards of decorum, contains blatant advertising or inappropriate emphasis on self promotion (return to top).

    Libel:   Posts which defame an individual or organization, or employ a tone which can be viewed as malicious in nature. Words, pictures, or cartoons which expose a person or organization to public hatred, shame, disgrace, or ridicule, or induce an ill opinion of a person or organization, are libelous.

    Improper Decorum:   Posts which are profane, inciting, disrespectful or uncivil in tone, or maliciously worded. This also includes the venting of unsubstantiated opinions. Such messages do little to illuminate a given topic, and often have the opposite effect. Constructive criticism is acceptable (return to top).

    Advertising:   The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not an advertising venue. Companies participating in a Forum discussion should provide specific answers to posted questions. WOODWEB suggests that businesses include an appropriately crafted signature in order to identify their company. A well meaning post that seems to be on-topic but contains a product reference may do your business more harm than good in the Forum environment. Forum users may perceive your references to specific products as unsolicited advertising (spam) and consciously avoid your web site or services. A well-crafted signature is an appropriate way to advertise your services that will not offend potential customers. Signatures should be limited to 4-6 lines, and may contain information that identifies the type of business you're in, your URL and email address (return to top).

    Repeated Forum Abuse: Forum participants who repeatedly fail to follow WOODWEB's Forum Guidelines may encounter difficulty when attempting to post messages.

    There are often situations when the original message asks for opinions: "What is the best widget for my type of shop?". To a certain extent, the person posting the message is responsible for including specific questions within the message. An open ended question (like the one above) invites responses that may read as sales pitches. WOODWEB suggests that companies responding to such a question provide detailed and substantive replies rather than responses that read as a one-sided product promotion. It has been WOODWEB's experience that substantive responses are held in higher regard by our readers (return to top).

    The staff of WOODWEB assume no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or outcome of any posting transmitted at WOODWEB's Message Boards. Participants should undertake the use of machinery, materials and methods discussed at WOODWEB's Message Boards after considerate evaluation, and at their own risk. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages it deems inappropriate. (return to top)


  • Forum Posting Help
    Your Name The name you enter in this field will be the name that appears with your post or response (return to form).
    Your Website Personal or business website links must point to the author's website. Inappropriate links will be removed without notice, and at WOODWEB's sole discretion. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links it deems inappropriate. (return to form)
    E-Mail Address Your e-mail address will not be publicly viewable. Forum participants will be able to contact you using a contact link (included with your post) that is substituted for your actual address. You must include a valid email address in this field. (return to form)
    Subject Subject may be edited for length and clarity. Subject lines should provide an indication of the content of your post. (return to form)
    Thread Related Link and Image Guidelines Thread Related Links posted at WOODWEB's Forums and Exchanges should point to locations that provide supporting information for the topic being discussed in the current message thread. The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not to serve as an advertising venue. A Thread Related Link that directs visitors to an area with inappropriate content will be removed. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links or images it deems inappropriate. (return to form)
    Thread Related File Uploads Thread Related Files posted at WOODWEB's Forums and Exchanges should provide supporting information for the topic being discussed in the current message thread. Video Files: acceptable video formats are: .MOV .AVI .WMV .MPEG .MPG .MP4 (Image Upload Tips)   If you encounter any difficulty when uploading video files, E-mail WOODWEB for assistance. The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not to serve as an advertising venue. A Thread Related File that contains inappropriate content will be removed, and uploaded files that are not directly related to the message thread will be removed. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links, files, or images it deems inappropriate. (return to form)