Chris that is too slow

I have used the Lamello for various things including attaching large frames on-site. For this the connectors are well worth the cost. I think the connectors need to come down to a buck a piece, then you would see shops using them much more often.
If I were using them for all face frames I would use 2 or 3 on each stile and 2 or 3 on each rail. Fill in between with regular biscuits. Machine parts before putting frame together. If using 3 on each that’s 9 connectors, 9 x $1.75=$15.75 per cabinet. My cost per connector is based on 80 pairs @$130 plus tax. I just think this is too costly for this application.

$50 shop rate takes you back to the 80s doesn't it?

Morning Al,
Thanks again for being a Lamello customer and glad you've gotten some benefit from using the P-System. Anyone would certainly need to choose the right application to use the Zeta/P-System because the connectors do have a healthy cost (compared to wood biscuits, screws, etc). And yes, the Clamex connectors are actually a little more now ($140 for 80 pair), but 90+% of our customers use the Tenso P-14 for face frame installation. Tenso P-14 in the 80 pair boxes are $1.00 per pair and $0.83 per pair in the bulk boxes if that helps you re-evaluate using them more often.
Best,

Chris,
I stand corrected. I do use the Tenso 14 quite a bit. And these are the ones I attach to face frames in field. I thought they were also $130 for 80 pair. Did they come down in price?
It is a fine tool.

Morning Al,

You're likely thinking of the Clamex connectors, which are now $140 for a box of 80-pairs. The Tenso P-14 are our most popular connector, and sell for $80 for a box of 80-pairs. With any P-System connector, you pay less per connector if you purchase in larger quantities (300 or 1,000 pair boxes). The Tenso P-14 in 1,000 pairs cost $825, or $0.825 per pair. Hope this helps.

*For face frame applications with Tenso, I do highly recommend using pre-load clips, which sell for $65 for 300 pcs.

I would never use a Lamello fastener. No matter the cost of the fastener it is painfully slow and adds no value. The corrugated staple I recommended is fast strong and inexpensive.

Good luck!

Bill

Have you considered using the method used by many of the largest cabinet manufacturers and start with stiles and rails made from molding with a groove for your side panels, bottoms and fixed shelves? Most of these companies make the face frame first and fit the box components to it, rather than the other way around.

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I had to do cabinets for a boat but have the latch flush with the door but could not move meaning rough seas draws fly open . They also fill draws with breakers etc., and weigh a ton.
I did a lap joint, and then the biscuits was fast and didn't need a long clamp time.
I like Scott molding great systems just the joint over time
I'm going to visit the boat and see the seams after 4 years real curios how it held up