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CNC Purchase

6/19/23

Andrew Prather

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Website: http://www.joryworkshop.com

Hello,

We are looking to finally get a CNC into our small mom and pa shop. Right now we are currently building and installing about one or less high-end kitchen a month. We are looking to get a capable accurate CNC machine that can handle panel processing with out over doing it. I have been looking at several machines and have narrowed it down to a couple machines the CNC Factory Viper and DMS Freedom. The price is and options on the CNC Factory Viper is very attractive but feel like the DMS might be more reliable. If anyone has experience or knowledge of either machines I would like get others perspective.

6/20/23 #2: CNC Purchase ...

Tom Gardiner

Twelve years with a 4 x 8 Patriot without an issue. Well built, timely delivery, reliable. You can buy cheaper machines I'm sure but to me having zero down time is worth the extra dollars.

6/20/23 #3: CNC Purchase ...

james e mcgrew

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Website: mcgrewwoodwork.com
Dang that is some nice work ! A CNC will make a difference , I made the step to a first machine in 07, single Z machine and soon learned why I needed a CNC. I have had several since the first one and there are some good choices on the market. We have grown to need two machines, I have a CAMaster Cobra atc 508 that is 12 years old and is used daily, Camaster provides a forum for its thousands of Owners, Feel free to join and meet some owners see machines and some are sold in the For sale section when owners step up to newer machines. the web address for the CAMheads forum is wwwdotcamheadsdotorg .
My second machine is a Chinese Sudaio The Viper you are interested in is also imported, I paid right at 50 k for the sudaio and it needs a good bit of floor space as it has an on loader off loader , ATC and drill bank (Man do I love the Drill bank), Best advice is to go see machines, Feel free to come see mine. we were a smaller shop which grew as a result of the CNC, Go see factorys. Camaster is in Georgia above Atlanta. they are always good for a factory tour and are one of the very few machines Built from the ground up in the USA, Dang things are built like Harleys. Any way feel free to call my number is on contact page of my website. good luck go slow study. You can buy a ship anchor in a short minute and you do not want that. my email is mcgrewsixthreesixatmsndotcom

6/21/23 #4: CNC Purchase ...

Karl E Brogger

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Website: http://www.sogncabinets.com

When I was shopping for a router, I was looking at Anderson, Biesse, and Weeke.

I don't think I'd entertain anything outside of those three with the intent of producing revenue. Some of that is based on my geography and the service and techs that are available semi-locally.

6/22/23 #5: CNC Purchase ...

Dropout

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If you're halfway mechanically inclined buy a 10 or 15 year old Anderson or Komo. Good phone and email tech support for both of them. Most parts can be had from local sources. The problem I see with Biesse (have had 4 of them) and Weeke (not had one) is proprietary controls, where the ANDI and Komo that I have/had use Fanuc controls which are easily serviced.

6/23/23 #6: CNC Purchase ...

Karl E Brogger

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Website: http://www.sogncabinets.com

Dropout, after having a cnc that operates in an environment rather than being a straight gcode machine, I'm not sure I would do it another way.
I don't view the proprietary controller as a negative, so long as those companies still exist.

You're gonna crash it sooner or later. The question is, do you benefit from doing your job and paying a tech to do theirs. Or, by not doing your job, and doing the technician's job?

I've done both. Depends on the scenario which is the stronger choice

6/25/23 #7: CNC Purchase ...

Derrek

Website: http://Closetdr.com

Couple of things.
CNC is a long term purchase and will last 5-10 years if you buy right. Don�t buy for just what you need today but what the future holds.
Ask for references of people that have owned machine for more than 1 year. Someone that has had one for only a couple months, even if they haven�t had a great experience won�t necessarily give you the truth as nobody wants to admit they made a bad purchase.
I�m a fan of the Anderson machines and like the Fanuc controllers.
I believe the most important features on a CNC for a cabinet shop is having a drill block and the ability of machine to push off parts, even if you don�t purchase conveyor at beginning that you can easily add after. These 2 things make quick work of sheets and pay for themselves quickly with the time savings.
I�ll be in Vegas next month at show and glad to meet with anyone looking at machines.

Anderson Spectrum

6/28/23 #8: CNC Purchase ...

Erick

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Website: https://virmer.com

What country are you in? If in Europe, I can recommend Wattsan machines available from Virmer. I have been working with these machines for many years and I can say that I haven't seen such reliable and powerful equipment in a long time.

https://virmer.com/catalog/laser-machines/

6/28/23 #9: CNC Purchase ...

Erick

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Website: https://virmer.com

You are correct in assuming that the spindle rotation direction can affect the thread direction when using a left-handed tool holder on a CNC machine.

When cutting threads, the tool rotation direction should match the desired thread direction. For example, if you want to cut a right-handed thread, the tool should rotate in a clockwise direction. Conversely, if you want to cut a left-handed thread, the tool should rotate counterclockwise.

To achieve the desired thread direction, you may need to adjust the spindle rotation direction on your CNC machine. This can typically be done through the machine's control panel or programming software. By changing the spindle rotation direction, you can align it with the thread direction required by the left-handed tool holder.

https://virmer.com/catalog/laser-machines/

6/28/23 #10: CNC Purchase ...

Jimmy

Dropout, many thanx, i connected the Chevy and was able to reach out to Marek for the post processor and Alpha help

thank you so much

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