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First Coat with Agualente, then a Latex Paint Topcoat?

4/18/19       
dan shaf Member

Can you lay down a first coat with ML Campbell Agualente to be followed up by a latex paint topcoat? Our customers final coat our cabinets with brushed on latex. We spray on the first coats in the shop.

Agualente has a much quicker setup time and it sands easier than rubbery latex.

We try to avoid hybrid systems for fear of failure down the road. Generally, we stand behind our finishing throughout the service life of the cabinet.

4/18/19       #2: First Coat with Agualente, then a L ...
Pat

I think you could get away with it, but why would anyone do this? Agualente is superior to latex in every way.

Why not just deliver them primed if they insist on the latex?

4/18/19       #3: First Coat with Agualente, then a L ...
Brewster201

Seriously why would you top coat with a latex paint? The WB Lacquer dry fast and hard compared to the latex
It's actually a joke to do that
Revise your thoughts

Bruce

4/19/19       #5: First Coat with Agualente, then a L ...
JoeW Member

It is amazing that anyone would want this. But I have seen it. I had one such customer about 18-10 years ago do exactly this.

After, getting MLC's nod of approval, the customer did a very good job using the latex. Apparently, still holding, because I have never received a call back.

Their reason was all about appearance. Had to match everything thing else in the home that was painted with latex. Seems it drove the customer crazy if it didn't.

Today I would turn these jobs away. Far too many customers want the cabinet shop fix all problems or damage, Even if it was their failure or another trades.

4/19/19       #6: First Coat with Agualente, then a L ...
dan shaf Member

Why? Our customers brush paint on their second and final coat. They use latex. They call the shots. We operate according to spec. If they are going to use latex as a final coat, my question is that I'm considering to use Aguelente because for me, going this route makes many things easier for me.

I'm going to get a gallon and shoot it, then lay down a latex topcoat. I was looking to see if anyone else does this.

What our customers like about paint is that they themselves can effect a repair if they want to. They brush on more of the rubbery coating.

4/20/19       #7: First Coat with Agualente, then a L ...
Adam

Almost every cabinet in the mansions were brushed for about 15 years. We loved it. Do a perfect prime job and let the site painters slather oil based Bennie Moore Impervo. Very profitable.

I started using Agualente the first year it came out. Awesome product. The primer is as good as any solvent product. Sands better than most and you can lay down heavy coats.

We would sand them to 240grit and install. Everybody was happy. The oil based paint sticks to that primer fine.

On one of my own big bookcase jobs I had to do a brushed finish. I sprayed the Aguelente. I had my painter use Muralo Ultra acrylic(my favourite house paint. Thankfully he started on some shelves. The Ultra did not like the Aguelente primer.

I would definitely do testing. The mlc primer is not normal. It is fancy pro stuff designed for their topcoats.

I would also stop referring to house paint as latex. It is technically waterborne acrylic. Sounds much better as well. They are more water cleanup than water based.

4/20/19       #8: First Coat with Agualente, then a L ...
Adam

The safest primer to use under any topcoat is Bin shellac primer. It works well on wood. Not the best sanding. Definitively not the best spraying. Tack coat(wait a couple of minutes)and a heavy 2nd cost for a decent thickness otherwise you can get runs or no coverage.

4/21/19       #9: First Coat with Agualente, then a L ...
Nick

I have done this many times for a variety of reasons without issue just test first to make sure there are no compatibility issues.
RE; Primer
Chemcraft Aquaprime is worth looking into. I've been a bin user for over 40 years but this stuff has cut by bin use by 90%. It will go under everything, sands great, dries fast, high build, minimal grain raise even on mdf.and water clean-up.

4/24/19       #10: First Coat with Agualente, then a L ...
mauricio poli Member

Good Morning Dan !
You can do this, there is no problem.
Just sand between coats
Have a nice day

4/25/19       #11: First Coat with Agualente, then a L ...
Wayne Weber Member

A latex is just the dispersion of a non-water soluble phase in water. Latex paint uses a dispersion of solids that are dissolved in a solvent which is then dispersed in water. As the water evaporates the droplets of the solvent coalesce into a film. If you disperse solids in water that is generally referred to as an emulsion.

5/15/19       #12: First Coat with Agualente, then a L ...
Dan Shaf  Member

Thank you all. Regarding Muralo, it's too bad that it was problematic because Muralo is an excellent paint. It's my preferred.

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